I plan on spending close to $13,000 to upgrade to the new HVX200 and all the system hardware and software to edit and view. But I can find no way to view the footage with a client. I know it is a better camera than the DVX100 but if no one can view it what is the point NOW. Have any new solutions come out. I use the Premiere Pro to edit and a PC system. Didn't find any current posts on the issue. Thanks.
What is the point?
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It is frustrating no doubt, but you'll have to purchase one of three additional pieces of software to view and output your footage. Raylight, Cineform Aspect HD or DVRack's new codec all of which allow you to output to DVD from Premiere. The only software natively allowing you to work with MXF files is Edius Broadcast and Avid. I don't know about FCP but it sounds like your a PC man.
Jason Ramsey
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Edius allows you to work with all of the HVX's formats natively, PAL and NTSC. Avid will let you work with most of them natively, I believe. FCP will let you work with most of them, but it does a conversion to qt .mov files first so you can work with them. As of right now, that means it takes a little time to convert to .mov and you are basically using twice the hdd space because you have the native mxf and a copy in .mov
Vegas or Premiere do not allow you to edit anything other than the mini dv format (dv25, I believe), without one of the plugins mentioned above by cinebuddy, which, like FCP require a conversion to take place first. They convert to AVI, I believe, so you can work with the footage on your NLE.
As far as viewing... if you are just talking about showing a rough edit or a final product, well you can just down convert to sd, render as mpeg2 or something and put it on a DVD. Something like that. Delivery methods aren't widely available for longer stuff yet. They are either too expensive, don't have significant enough market penetration, or just aren't viable yet. But that means most of your work (depending on the type of work you are doing) is going to end up in sd anyways, so it's not a problem. But you are ready as demand requires it.
Jason
*you can't output hd to a regular dvd... The most you are going to fit on a dvd is around 4 minutes of 1080. Around double that of 720pn. The only hi def dvd options currently available are blu-ray and hd-dvd. They are very expensive though, and almost nobody has them, so there isn't much point in doing that if you are delivering to an average customer.
Vegas or Premiere do not allow you to edit anything other than the mini dv format (dv25, I believe), without one of the plugins mentioned above by cinebuddy, which, like FCP require a conversion to take place first. They convert to AVI, I believe, so you can work with the footage on your NLE.
As far as viewing... if you are just talking about showing a rough edit or a final product, well you can just down convert to sd, render as mpeg2 or something and put it on a DVD. Something like that. Delivery methods aren't widely available for longer stuff yet. They are either too expensive, don't have significant enough market penetration, or just aren't viable yet. But that means most of your work (depending on the type of work you are doing) is going to end up in sd anyways, so it's not a problem. But you are ready as demand requires it.
Jason
*you can't output hd to a regular dvd... The most you are going to fit on a dvd is around 4 minutes of 1080. Around double that of 720pn. The only hi def dvd options currently available are blu-ray and hd-dvd. They are very expensive though, and almost nobody has them, so there isn't much point in doing that if you are delivering to an average customer.
UncleBenji1977
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hmm.... SO that makes me also wonder, is it worth buying at this point.... Does it look better than DVX even when you bump it down to SD? Does the change in resolution downgrade the image? Or does it look nice in SD?
Jason Ramsey
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From what I understand, if you are using it to film interlaced sd, then it will look worse than the dvx. But if you are filming in dvcpro 50, for example you are getting twice the color resolution (?) and half the compression as you would be getting in mini dv. Of course you know you can't shoot dvcpro 50 to mini dv tape. Barry once did a comparison for sd output to dvd, and of all the options dvcpro 50 seemed to be the winner, with 720pn being an extremely close 2nd, if I remember correctly.
Jason
Jason
UncleBenji1977
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My question was.... If I shoot HD, and downgrade THAT image to SD will there be image issues? pixeled images, or artifacting. Or would it be the best looking SD footage you've ever seen?
Jason Ramsey
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It is possible, just not extremely viable yet. There are several ways, including the one's mentioned above. Search around, you'll find some more info. I am not qualified to tell you all of the best options and ways to do so.
Again, in a comparison that Barry did for a sd dvd output, dvcpro50 was probably #1 and 720pn (HD) was an extremely close second. So, yes. As far as I know it is going to better than your average footage shot with an sd cam. Plus I am partial to 16:9, so that right there gives it a leg up in my book. But don't take my word for it. Check around see if you can find that thread of Barry's he has pictures and everything and it will provide you with much more information than I am able. I'll se if I can find the thread for you.
Jason
Again, in a comparison that Barry did for a sd dvd output, dvcpro50 was probably #1 and 720pn (HD) was an extremely close second. So, yes. As far as I know it is going to better than your average footage shot with an sd cam. Plus I am partial to 16:9, so that right there gives it a leg up in my book. But don't take my word for it. Check around see if you can find that thread of Barry's he has pictures and everything and it will provide you with much more information than I am able. I'll se if I can find the thread for you.
Jason
Jason Ramsey
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=67011
This thread will give you a good place to start on comparisons between the dvx and hvx. check it out
Jason
This thread will give you a good place to start on comparisons between the dvx and hvx. check it out
Jason
William_Robinette
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If you shoot your projects now on HD and convert to SD for distribution for the time being, later you can reissue the content in HD when a delivery option becomes widely available.
With the Matrox MXO on a Mac, you can export a DVCProHD sequence, and play it off the card to HD monitor, even with a laptop.
You also can play DVCProHD sequence directly from the FCP timeline out the board to a HD monitor, LCD or plasma in HD.
You also can play DVCProHD sequence directly from the FCP timeline out the board to a HD monitor, LCD or plasma in HD.
DavidBeier
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You are doing it for two reasons:
1. A DVX100B is 4k retail. HVX200 is 2k retail. Why not spend the extra cash to have something that won't be obsolete for a little while longer. Nothing is totally "future proof" but the HVX200 is a more sound investment.
2. It does look better, even on an SD DVD. Barry's tests give a decent indication with 720p downconverted easily blowing the pants off of DVX100 when burned to a DVD. In 16x9 the image is not only noticibly sharper but also much cleaner with less color blocking. Not to mention the advantages variable frame rates.
As for editing, try Avid or FCP since they are the professional standards. Avid works with MXFs nativly and FCP will convert them without needing another program.
1. A DVX100B is 4k retail. HVX200 is 2k retail. Why not spend the extra cash to have something that won't be obsolete for a little while longer. Nothing is totally "future proof" but the HVX200 is a more sound investment.
2. It does look better, even on an SD DVD. Barry's tests give a decent indication with 720p downconverted easily blowing the pants off of DVX100 when burned to a DVD. In 16x9 the image is not only noticibly sharper but also much cleaner with less color blocking. Not to mention the advantages variable frame rates.
As for editing, try Avid or FCP since they are the professional standards. Avid works with MXFs nativly and FCP will convert them without needing another program.
"I know it is a better camera than the DVX100 but if no one can view it what is the point NOW"..
actually i think the hvx is better than the dvx in the respect that its got native 16:9 ccd's... and some say its SD mode is better than the dvx's also, i cant comment on that because i havent worked at all with a dvx to compare. Anyway, i think its a camera well worth getting, i got my hvx about a month ago and i use the SD mode on it, which suits me fine for the time being, i also have its hd capabilities to look forward to when HD becomes mainstream. Anyway also if ur using PAL the sd mode isnt that bad as the res is higher than ntsc....
as far as editing, edius broadcast suports all the hvx shooting modes, so you could shoot dv50 using sd resolution and output that on a regular SD-dvd, i think your quality would be quite good.
actually i think the hvx is better than the dvx in the respect that its got native 16:9 ccd's... and some say its SD mode is better than the dvx's also, i cant comment on that because i havent worked at all with a dvx to compare. Anyway, i think its a camera well worth getting, i got my hvx about a month ago and i use the SD mode on it, which suits me fine for the time being, i also have its hd capabilities to look forward to when HD becomes mainstream. Anyway also if ur using PAL the sd mode isnt that bad as the res is higher than ntsc....
as far as editing, edius broadcast suports all the hvx shooting modes, so you could shoot dv50 using sd resolution and output that on a regular SD-dvd, i think your quality would be quite good.
ozduc
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storyp24 said:
NO it is not fair to conclude that. People are doing this all the time right now. Just turn on your HD TV and watch discovery, HD net, history channel etc. There are shows on there containing content that was acquired on the HVX200. The thing you have to ask your client is what sort of device do they have that is capable of playing HD material to there HD tv. If they have a panasonic AJ 1200 deck then you could output to that.
Nathyn said:
That is correct. The Toshiba HD player will take HD DVDs on red laser and play them authored with DVD SP.
The latest firmware for the Toshiba's apparently has issues with this, but ours plays fine.