What ever happened to Serious Magic's DVCProHD Codec?

[THoff]

I mean if Edius can do it 9 months ago and do full on native support for P2 and now with version 4.5 which can export back to P2, why can't anyone else?

Export back to P2 cards is not a new feature in V4.5, Edius has been able to do that since V4 was released.

Also, one not so well known fact is that the Canopus HQ intermediate editing codec is actually DVCProHD. Because of this it probably wasn't much work for Canopus to implement full P2 support.

 

[majormorgan]

THoff, version 4.5 - sorry I got my features crossed.

Canopus HQ intermediate codec is actually DVCProdHD. It goes to prove that someone else saw great benefits from it for PC, so why not Panasonic?

I can't wait to get my version. I've been dying to edit properly.

Thanks !

Majormorgan

 

[Sumfun]

The funny thing is that all the engineers at Panasonic use PC's and the firmware upgrades only work with PC's.

 

[Barry_Green]

I mean if Edius can do it 9 months ago and do full on native support for P2 and now with version 4.5 which can export back to P2, why can't anyone else?

Anybody else COULD, it's just whether they will or not. EDIUS has had that support since version 3.61. Avid just added export-back-to-the-card functionality in 5.7.

Raylight gives you that capability with your existing Premiere Pro implementation.

Also just what is the reason for a quicktime codec being developed for mac and not for PC? Is it something to do with technical difficulties on a PC?

Absolutely not. It's Apple's choice; Apple makes Quicktime, Apple added DVCPRO-HD support to the Mac two years ago in version 4.5 of FCP, and they have steadfastly refused to update the Windows version of Quicktime to have the same capabilities. You'd have to ask Apple as to why they refuse to do that.

The reason we know for a fact that it's not a limitation of the PC is that a) EDIUS supports DVCPRO-HD quicktime files, and b) DVFilm.com's Quicktime Decoder adds DVCPRO-HD quicktime file support to the PC. Apple themselves won't do it, but two companies have already figured out how to get around their limitation.

I am furious that Panasonic, Adobe and Apple have left PC users out in the cold.

Well, this is a new twist on the subject; typically the PC has *better* support and I've been the one screaming at Apple to update their support to at least match what the PC does!

The capabilities exist, as demonstrated by EDIUS, Avid, Liquid, and Vegas or Premiere Pro when using Raylight. Whether your particular favorite software developer has implemented the features or not... well, that's the question. Obviously anyone CAN do it, it's just whether they find it a high-enough priority. And it's not just the HVX; JVC users are STILL waiting for Avid to support their 24P HDV format, and FCP users in Europe are STILL waiting for FCP to support 720/50P mode, etc.

Panasonic should have had this developed for launch. PERIOD. Its there bloomin' camera system and codec.

Yes, and their bloomin' camera system and codec were available at launch. But it's not their editing programs; Adobe and Apple and Avid and Sony and Grass Valley all have to decide what they'll support, and when. FCP has had reasonably good support since day 1, and Avid has had decent support from day 1. EDIUS has had absolutely brilliant support since day 1. Adobe and Vegas have dawdled and made no real effort towards integration at all.

The fact it will be realtime editing with no messing around converting to intermediate codecs and wasting time, all of which are counter-productive to a camera system that is designed to be as simple as 'take the card out of the camera, copy to a laptop and start editing' means I'll be a happy bunny.

Well, considering you can cut out the whole "copy to a laptop" phase, you may be an even happier bunny. Take the card out, put it in the laptop and start editing. :thumbsup:

 

[Barry_Green]

Also, one not so well known fact is that the Canopus HQ intermediate editing codec is actually DVCProHD. Because of this it probably wasn't much work for Canopus to implement full P2 support.

Close but not quite right. Canopus HD is a full implementation of DVCPRO-HD. Canopus HQ is their own newer intermediate codec. Canopus implemented DVCPRO-HD before just about anybody; they actually wrote their own codec based on the SMPTE documents that describe DVCPRO-HD; they called this new codec Canopus HD. It's fully DVCPRO-HD compatible.

Then they came up with their own intermediate codec, Canopus HQ, which is a horse of a different color.

 

[majormorgan]

Thanks Barry,

I know it was partly a rant. Having read your replies it seems I was wrongly blaming Panasonic.

It does seem I'm right in my blaming Apple and Adobe. If Adobe wanted to win over users then P2 support in this CS3 would have been key. Especially as everything else on the PC dealing with P2 is ready. Apple just want to keep an unfair advantage over PC. I know that mac is their product but quicktime is supposed to be the same on both systems so I think that that is unfair.

I have amazing respect for the Edius package. I just spoke to the reps here in the Uk and they say that 4.5 is a FREE upgrade due July/August. They are pushing for July. Makes me feel good to buy something now and not worry if I have to pay for the upgrades that come only months later [Another thing I had against apple - another story...]

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to my thread.

I've gotta say this again, your HVX book is a cracking read. It makes all the technical stuff a dream to understand. Easily the best investment next the HVX.

thanks

Majormorgan

 

[Contact_Therapy]

And it's not just the HVX; JVC users are STILL waiting for Avid to support their 24P HDV format, and FCP users in Europe are STILL waiting for FCP to support 720/50P mode, etc.

With all these new formats coming out(AVCHD, AVC-Intra, AVC-HD, XDCAM EX, RAW, etc) are these headaches going to get worse before they get any better?

The HVX has been out for how long and both Apple and Adobe are asleep at the wheel. Sony and Canon's flavor of HDV seems to be the only formats they are on top of.

The smarter companies seem to be starting to package some sort of software with their new cameras to get footage to a workable format. Will this be the new trend?

Thank Jesus for companies like DVFilm.

 

[patssle]

I've been a heavy Adobe Suite user for several years.

I just bought a HVX200. If Adobe dosn't support P2 with CS3...I might be thinking of switching over to Avid Media Composer which has native P2 support.