We've waited long enough!

Panasonic using a PCMCIA card to carry their memory keeps it in a proven technology that PCMCIA adapters are. That's why they used them in my opinion.

Michael Pappas
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10s said:
These P2 cards seem to be a little silly in their design for the HVX, here's why. Look at how thin they are. Now ask yourself why do they need to be this shape and size. Answer, they don't, they could be bigger and therefore hold much more data. This is where past designs, design tomorrow's products based upon their assumptions. Micro tiny assumptions are fine for some products, but for otherproducts they can be a nuisance. A mini disc player is a perfect example. They have gotten so small they've becoem too difficult to operate. I appreciate the engineering neede to make something samll but there is something called, too small. These P2 cards remind me of these typical design situations where practicality becomes a tertiary issue.

Do these camera really need tiny spy size memory cards? No, they don't. The slots & cards could be 6xs the width and use the same plug in slot of one card. This would give us 6xs the memory w/o any further innovation & when further innovation arrives we'd have that much more memory.

Maybe someone will come out with a card and a ribbon attached for streaming data to a memory 100 gig brick besdies the other altenatives I've been reading here.
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When SD was developed by Panasonic, I'm sure the vision was to produce a media format that could be used for several devices like cell phones, pda's, still cameras, etc., etc.. There is a huge investment in this technology and the next step would be to implement it in motion cameras. The costs would have been much higher had they started from scratch to design a new format. It makes sense that they would be using existing media types to lower costs. It sort of reminds me of when Apple started pushing Firewire and DVD burners in all their computers. Sure it was a little expensive, but as soon as it was a household device, prices plummeted for blank DVD media and everyone was editing home movies. Firewire existed before Apple but it took a company like Apple to make it accessible to millions.

SD is in the infancy stage but the vision is clear. In the near future SD cards will appear like large clunky hardware. I'm glad Panasonic is pushing the limits of those little guys. At least you know that your camera will be able to use accessible memory 5+ years from now. Tape will be harder to find and it's not getting much cheaper. Memory cards will eventually be cheaper than tape. We are not thinking of the bigger picture. We all know the future is tapeless and Pana has taken a bold move in the transition.. with HD nonetheless! Besides, no one says you have to buy into this technology. You can wait and use your DVX100 in the meantime or bail out and use what Sony and JVC have to offer. We all have choices.
 
Unfortunately we end up over paying for these unneeded R&D toys. I love tech as well as anyone I know...I have more techy toys than anyone, but I also try and look at the practical side. Mini DV is a great example of how distorted design thinking gets in the way. The tapes are so small the video track is less than a hair and is very fragile, sorry that's just what pros don't want. I want military grade, not shopping mall grade.

I expect innovators will make adapters to overcome the design flaws of this new camera. $1,700 for 4 gigs is a design flaw even if it's falling at a rate that in 3 years we'll be able to buy enough memory that we all had years ago.
 
Media based memory is the future. The great thing is the future has already started.

I wonder who is going to be the second one to Panasonic to make a HD cam on this level of the HVX200 of no tape. Will it be Sony, JVC or Canon.

Where's IKEGAMI, PHILIPS AND THOMSON and HITACHI... I wish they would start to make small HD cams, they have the resources and they all make EFP HD cameras now.


bgundu said:
When SD was developed by Panasonic, I'm sure the vision was to produce a media format that could be used for several devices like cell phones, pda's, still cameras, etc., etc.. There is a huge investment in this technology and the next step would be to implement it in motion cameras. The costs would have been much higher had they started from scratch to design a new format. It makes sense that they would be using existing media types to lower costs. It sort of reminds me of when Apple started pushing Firewire and DVD burners in all their computers. Sure it was a little expensive, but as soon as it was a household device, prices plummeted for blank DVD media and everyone was editing home movies. Firewire existed before Apple but it took a company like Apple to make it accessible to millions.

SD is in the infancy stage but the vision is clear. In the near future SD cards will appear like large clunky hardware. I'm glad Panasonic is pushing the limits of those little guys. At least you know that your camera will be able to use accessible memory 5+ years from now. Tape will be harder to find and it's not getting much cheaper. Memory cards will eventually be cheaper than tape. We are not thinking of the bigger picture. We all know the future is tapeless and Pana has taken a bold move in the transition.. with HD nonetheless! Besides, no one says you have to buy into this technology. You can wait and use your DVX100 in the meantime or bail out and use what Sony and JVC have to offer. We all have choices.
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i think eventually hd will be the new tapeless standard, and p2 cards should drop in price, but who knows how long that will take? so it turns into the dilemma of do i buy it now, or hope that the price will drop sooner rather than later?

i think we shuold just until after nab so we know all the facts.
 
Maybe they chose PC card form factor simply cause laptops already have those build in. No need to sell another add on for your laptop.

Aaron
 
PappasArts said:
Where's IKEGAMI, PHILIPS AND THOMSON and HITACHI... I wish they would start to make small HD cams, they have the resources...
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How about a Kodak HD camera based on Wavelet and Foveon.
Note: I am switching from film school to business school in the fall.
 
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