Wasp 100-C LED Light

Jon

Will you get these to the UK?
Currently your dealer is not a mainstream video equipment dealer - very interested in all of your lights.

Sam MM
 
morgan_moore said:
Often bright lights are not needed to feed lumens to the camera but to compete with existing sources.. Like daylight
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Right. What I was wondering about was basically answered by Noel and the numbers he showed.

And, I guess, if one uses Varicam/LT, one gets two more stops, which can then be used for ... well, lots of things.
 
Just opened up my email and saw that the Kickstarter campaign is 'live'. Looks like there were a lot of people like me and contacted Hive directly early to commit, because they have already well surpassed their initial funding goal.

I'm actually pretty excited about this light. Of course, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually have it in hand and see what it does on camera for yourself, but LED tech has been steadily progressing and I believe these guys really care about making lights that produce 'quality light'. I think most of my end of the year purchases are going to be lighting gear this year and I'm really contemplating getting one of the 1000 w plasma units. Especially after talking to them about an open face focusable reflector for it. They're waiting to see what the demand for it is, but at least it is on their radar and a possibility.
 
I initially pre-ordered one ... and then after some more thought added another today. While I wish lumen output were just a bit more...I think they are not quite as cavalier in their comparison to fresnels. And these will run on V or AB batt. So, yeah, excited too. Had been leaning toward the 602's or waiting on the Aputure COB daylight... but these tick many boxes and add versatility... all from a pretty reputable company.
 
Noel Evans said:
According to the photometries on the one pager Run&Gun posted its pretty much exactly the same as the Arri 650 in flood mode with the Wasp set at 3200k or 5600k. To get an Arri 650 in flood to 5600 needs a full CTB which will lose 1 2/3 stops. Arri in full spot @ 15 feet is about T12 and 5/10ths, so packs quite a bit more grunt.

Is it enough? Depends on what you're intending to use it for. Assume 800ISO / 24fps / 180 shutter @ 15 feet, that equates to an aperture of (pretty close to) T5.6.
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The photometrics on the page are with the 22 degree lens, the Arri 650 tungsten fresnel at this angle will be punching out around 3-4 times more light (that is 1.5-2 stops).
It seems the proper comparison is with the Arri 300.
 
Hi all,

Thank you for all your support for our kickstarter campaign we have been blown away and are very grateful. I will try to answer some of the questions that perhaps the page still doesn't really cover.


CPC:

This is a good point and part of the problem of claiming wattage equivalencies between different technologies to gauge output. The 650 W equivalent all depends on the accessories you choose to use. It will do the same work but it will come down to how you use it. With some accessories it will be like a 300W tungsten, with others a 1K, so the average is 650W.


Sam:

Yes we will be shipping to the UK and worldwide via Kickstarter. Also you can currently contact Barbizon UK for any of our products.

Paul:

The fan is is currently 17dba which is well below the volume you can hear without putting your ear to the fixture itself.

Marshall:

I don't want to sell the light short, but it does not have the output to battle direct sunlight, if close enough it could be very useful in the shade, but output levels are appropriate for indoor, night time and indirect daylight levels.

Finally if anyone would still like to see a video of it being used please check out our Instgram @hivelighting our Twitter @hivelighting for lots of current and upcoming examples as well as our intro video on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/191437315

Cheers,

Jon (your friendly Hive Lighting guy)
 
Jon Edward Miller said:
CPC:This is a good point and part of the problem of claiming wattage equivalencies between different technologies to gauge output. The 650 W equivalent all depends on the accessories you choose to use. It will do the same work but it will come down to how you use it. With some accessories it will be like a 300W tungsten, with others a 1K, so the average is 650W.
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Jon - thanks for this reply. If you can, I'd like for you to elaborate just a bit on which accessories you are specifically are talking about to achieve the different outputs. Without the 20% reflector the spread is 180, correct? Because of the many possibilities with accessories, this is why I ended up backing 2 units instead of just one. I can envision many instances where I'll want one head with a soft box to use as key - while the other is used for a rim/hairlight - or even background splash. And then other times both units will need to be ambient / fill to simply bring up a room with daylight coming in, etc.
 
Mark,

I believe I answered this on the Kickstarter page but figured I should share on this forum. We use 650W as the best average equivalency and because it most closely represents the output of the stock reflector that comes with the Wasp 100-C. Also because the two lights are equivalent in their rough physical size, size of accessories, stands, cases and general support gear size that you would use with both.

When you take the reflector off the raw source, it is closer to a 300W fresnel since it has a 180 degree beam and has no optics to increase its efficiency. But when you put that raw source it into some of the larger reflectors from the photo world like the zoom and the super spot reflectors from profoto you actually can get closer to 1000W tungsten foot candle readings.

In general the bigger the reflector or lens (like some of the photo fresnels available) the brighter the output as more of the light is captured and channeled more efficiently. I hope this answers your question as we continue to test the many different accessories that are available we will start to release photometrics on the most practical, accessible and useful accessories available for the light.

Cheers,

Jon
 
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Seems odd to make comparisons between different lighting technologies without matching reflector/lens/angle characteristics. Comparing a 50deg Fresnel to a 180deg led COB? I mean you could also say the 100W no-reflector LED has the same output as a 150W fresnel at full spot but I don't know why you would... And the 1000W tungsten comparison is compared to what kind of 1000W tungsten fixture? Frankly it seems like it makes the most sense to compare these to tungsten openface lights since the quality and reflector style is more similar, but that is rarely done partly because openface tungsten lights are much more efficient than fresnels so it rarely looks good for LED manufacturers. Worst case they compare a small-source narrow-beam LED to a tungsten ziplight or softbox which makes no sense at all.

It's an LED so you can probably just multiply the wattage by 3-4 to get a tungsten equivalent given common LED luminous efficiency gains over tungsten and then add or subtract 50% of that depending on added efficiency from a different modifier design. If this doesn't come in around the same output as a 350-500W tungsten openface I'd be surprised. Maybe a 650W fresnel if you really need that comparison.
 
I am a huge fan of Hive plasma lighting and at first I was real excited about the kickstarter campaign and almost backed it up but in the end felt that 500/650w equiv. output really just isn't enough. If it was 200w LED ~ 1000w equiv I'd be all over it but at that power draw level the heat would probably be out of control.

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"Seems odd to make comparisons between different lighting technologies without matching reflector/lens/angle characteristics."

I guess this is more or less what I was getting at / trying to ask. I've lit countless small set up's (interviews or small room with 1 person) using Arri 650w fresnel or 1k open face with speedring & Chimera soft box attached as the key source. And totally fine with that output - for those small set ups. And then have hopelessly tried to full spot that same 1k with 1/2 or full CTB (without the soft box) to play alongside daylight in other situations and realize quickly it just isn't near enough.
So, I'm still curious about optic attachments and efficiencies - that might possibly give a 30 - 50% angle with a similar output to a 1K - if that's possible AND with ability to dial in wb / color temp - not loose any of that actual output to gels. Would be most helpful to have fc / lux output readings specific to certain reflectors and / or uses as these get tested. (the pic on the kickstarter page that has large profoto fresnel attached to the light looks promising)
The list of LED fresnels continues to grow... I like having options - just want to be sure I know what those options will actually give me.
 
markfpv said:
"Seems odd to make comparisons between different lighting technologies without matching reflector/lens/angle characteristics."

I guess this is more or less what I was getting at / trying to ask. I've lit countless small set up's (interviews or small room with 1 person) using Arri 650w fresnel or 1k open face with speedring & Chimera soft box attached as the key source. And totally fine with that output - for those small set ups. And then have hopelessly tried to full spot that same 1k with 1/2 or full CTB (without the soft box) to play alongside daylight in other situations and realize quickly it just isn't near enough.
So, I'm still curious about optic attachments and efficiencies - that might possibly give a 30 - 50% angle with a similar output to a 1K - if that's possible AND with ability to dial in wb / color temp - not loose any of that actual output to gels. Would be most helpful to have fc / lux output readings specific to certain reflectors and / or uses as these get tested. (the pic on the kickstarter page that has large profoto fresnel attached to the light looks promising)
The list of LED fresnels continues to grow... I like having options - just want to be sure I know what those options will actually give me.
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Yeah sadly this may not provide power to beat even a 1K with 1/2 CTB.

The 100W COB LED space is pretty boring these days, nothing much new. Prices and features are pretty stagnant though they are getting incrementally more elegant compared to the cheap chinese ones with loud fans and low CRI, but 100W is still pretty low power, barely competing with the smallest old tungsten package that is more field tested and less expensive...

Hopefully someone will shake up the 200+W LED market soon with a product that isn't more expensive and bigger than the Tungsten/HMI equivalent. If they can start putting 200W-1KW LED units that start in the <$1K price range then I'll start paying attention. Could be a long time before they compete with my $250 575W HMI pars...
 
This light won't really have any more power than the Alzo 3200/3300 (at half the price) and there are several threads on the Alzo and what people have been able to do with them. If people are in doubt about power, use, etc.. they should really check out those threads to avoid disappointment.

I will echo what some others are saying, at best this is like the old 500w tungsten mogul base lamp in a soft box type of power output we're talking about here great for interviews and medium shots with the light just out of frame - except - this draws way less power, you can dial color temp in (not even sure how that's an advantage when not strong enough to mix with daylight), you can run off batteries, you can attach various light modifiers.

So it's all going to depend what people are using them for and how. I'd be hard pressed to spend this much money on really what to me is only a 650w frensel.

How do others see it or the uses? Maybe I'm way off base here.
 
nyvz said:
Hopefully someone will shake up the 200+W LED market soon with a product that isn't more expensive and bigger than the Tungsten/HMI equivalent. If they can start putting 200W-1KW LED units that start in the <$1K price range then I'll start paying attention.
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The Zylight F8-200 is 200w power draw, and about the same size and weight as a 1K Fresnel (10.25 lbs for Zylight). It's not that cheap at around $3,000, though.



Something to keep in mind is that some bi-color products are a lot less bright than a daylight or tungsten only version. The Zylight is said to be a 2K equivalent, and since it's daylight only, it's going to be more likely to be closer to that 2K figure. Something like the Wasp is likely lowering power by being bi-color putting its 100w power draw closer to a 500-650w tungsten Fresnel since it's likely not using the full 100w at the most used color temps of 5600k and 3200k. Of course bi-color has advantages. I know the Astra's specs show it doesn't loose that much (I think only 10-20%) brightness with the bi-color version, while the Practilite is said to lose about 40% brightness. So I guess the max power draw utilization between 3200k, 4300k, and 5600k depends on how the light implements the bi-color feature?
 
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I guess the Arri 200w is lighter at 5.5 lbs, though with case, accesories, etc., it's probably heavier than the Zylight. The Zylight does need less accessories; no spare bulbs, no different lenses, no scrims, etc.

I've been tempted to buy the Zylight, but I wish it had ap control via a smart phone ap as all of my current LED lights do (Practlites and Astras); RGB control would be a nice feature as well. All of the other 200w+ LED Fresnels are a lot larger and heavier than the Zylight, so the Zylight is my favorite of what's out there now. But for me it may be worth waiting a year or two to see what comes out before investing in higher powered and more expensive LED fixtures once these newer features become a norm.

As with the Practilte, the Wasp is not meant to be a high powered fixture. Good for use as a hair light, background light, fill light, and sometimes a key light, but probably not good for standard use as a key due to its lower output.
 
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