Wasp 100-C LED Light

Wow. I have to say, I'm surprised they are moving into LED.

I'm excited for fresnel units that are able to pump out 1000watts in high tlci rgb LED. Until then, I think my hard sources will be plasma pars and HMI fresnels. This unit seems like a step in that direction, though. Interesting move from hive, nonetheless.
 
In all seriousness if Hive is such a solid company as in "established", why do they need to go the Kickstarter mumbo jumbo route? That would not give me the confidence to dish out 6k for one of their units .
 
"180 degree spread"...How is spread different than beam angle? I don't see mention of an internal variable beam angle, so I guess you need to add modifiers to change beam angle, which is a pain. The hue and saturation control is really nice. I wonder if it gives as much control over colors as an Arri Skypanel. No mention of CRI or TLCI. I'd also like to see size and particularly weight specs.

100w power draw vs Practilite 602's 90w power draw. I suppose the only real advantage here is the hue and saturation control, and the disadvantage is no variable beam angle, and it looks like it may be larger and heavier than the Practilite.

Interesting light. I'd be tempted to get one for the color control. I'm looking forward to this feature becoming a norm on LEDs.
 
Hi all,

This is Jon Miller from Hive Lighting I was hoping to possibly answer some of your questions as best I can about the new Wasp 100-C.


"Wow. I have to say, I'm surprised they are moving into LED."

First I want to say we are NOT moving away from Plasma, in fact we are actively working on new Plasma units as well as continuing to support and improve our current product line. We held out for a long time but we were moved to take on an LED light because we finally found a compelling source, with high enough color quality and color control that we felt we could design a fixture we could stand behind and at a price point that was significantly less than we could produce a plasma unit.


"if Hive is such a solid company as in "established", why do they need to go the Kickstarter mumbo jumbo route?"

Totally fair question. Just like creating an LED product we wrestled with the Kickstarter project and decided to go this way for a few reasons:

- 1st was speed of development. We are actively doing constant R&D on our existing Plasma line, while we knew we could bring this LED to market without this campaign we would have had to delay the launch until NAB of next year and it probably wouldn't have been able to ship until Summer 2017. We were excited about this tech and we wanted to speed up its development... kickstart it if you will :)

- 2nd we didn't know how our existing customer base would react to us developing an LED we thought the kickstarter would be a great way to involve our customers in this process, get their feedback (including questions like the above) and let them vote very literally with their pocketbook as to whether we should pursue this product

- 3rd we traditionally sell through distributors and dealers, taking on a Kickstarter gave us a unique opportunity to sell at a much deeper discount than we usually can by going directly to our customers which seemed like a win/win

Of course if you have no interest or desire to participate in our Kickstarter we understand and when it is over we will be taking normal pre-orders through our dealers in the New Year and of course you are also more than welcome to wait until we start shipping (scheduled for March) and you can go into any of our dealers try out a unit then.


"180 degree spread"...How is spread different than beam angle? I don't see mention of an internal variable beam angle, so I guess you need to add modifiers to change beam angle, which is a pain. The hue and saturation control is really nice. I wonder if it gives as much control over colors as an Arri Skypanel. No mention of CRI or TLCI. I'd also like to see size and particularly weight specs.


This is a great question and the short answer is we will be releasing more technical information this Friday as well as a great deal of detail in our actual kickstarter campaign including videos, photos and various technical graphics including photometrics, spectrum etc. But some quick answers

It starts as a 180 "spread" or more accurately as you stated a 180 degree beam angle source. The unit comes with a 22 degree beam stock reflector with a set of spreading lenses. It also works with huge variety of reflectors as it is compatible with the entire ProFoto, Elinchrom, Bowens and Chimera light modifier product lines and some of our own custom accessories. This includes zoom reflectors that spot and flood, spotting and flooding fresnel attachments, and mini source 4 barrels, as well as an almost infinite number of soft box options. The color temperature range in white light is 1650K - 8000K, and it is a 98 CRI and 97 TLCI. The control is designed to be very comparable to the Arri Skypanel and Kino Select in the ability to adjust color temp, hue, sat and dimming all simultaneously to create a huge number of color combinations. The unit weighs just under 5lbs, has a 4" diameter and 6.5" length, the stock reflector accepts 5" barndoor and speed ring accessories.

Hope this helps answers questions, we will be releasing more tech specs soon and of course when the Kickstarter goes live on Nov. 15th.
 
Jon,

Looks interesting. Having come from stills, I've yet to find lights that are as flexible as strobes. I've long thought that whoever got there first would be wildly successful. Light-weight, shape-able with reasonable accessories, adjustable power wise from very low to enough to work in daylight.

Having the ability to adjust color temps with accuracy is far beyond the best strobes. But what about power and adjustability. Is there enough to work in daylight. Can you share some data on that?
 
First I want to say we are NOT moving away from Plasma, in fact we are actively working on new Plasma units as well as continuing to support and improve our current product line.

I definitely never thought that hive were moving away from plasma. My statement was just expressing my surprise at the move into LED. But thanks for the clarification nonetheless.
 
Bern - thanks for posting & Jon thanks for jumping in with more info. Excited about this fixture.... would love to see video of it in use.
 
Marshall Harrington said:
Having come from stills, I've yet to find lights that are as flexible as strobes. ...Is there enough to work in daylight. Can you share some data on that?
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Nope.

Strobes release their energy in a fraction of second, whereas constant sources, including LED, release theirs over the entire second.
 
Emailed with Robert and I jumped in and committed to two units. The spec sheet I was sent says 1650K to 8000K, 400fc/4306 lux @ 5'/1.5m. Uses 5 different colored LED's to create bi-colored light and RGB light. 0%-100% dimming and saturation and 360 degree hue control.

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Is there a rough guidance how much light one needs with the (various) modern cameras? In other words, Camera X (Red/ARRI/F55) needs X but camera Y (Varicam/C700) can get by with X/2 and A7S with X/4?
 
That is on par with other LED lights of similar type. I have a 150 LEDw that is one stop brighter than my 650 fresnel (with the reflictor on). So the claim that it is equivalent to a 650w seems about right.
 
Marshall Harrington said:
Mitch, How did you feel about the power. My understanding is that it's about the same as a 650 Arri Fresnel. Is that enough? Would appreciate your take.
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According to the photometries on the one pager Run&Gun posted its pretty much exactly the same as the Arri 650 in flood mode with the Wasp set at 3200k or 5600k. To get an Arri 650 in flood to 5600 needs a full CTB which will lose 1 2/3 stops. Arri in full spot @ 15 feet is about T12 and 5/10ths, so packs quite a bit more grunt.

Is it enough? Depends on what you're intending to use it for. Assume 800ISO / 24fps / 180 shutter @ 15 feet, that equates to an aperture of (pretty close to) T5.6.
 
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