The lens will arrive when it arrives. What more do you think is out there? Canon, Panasonic, Sigma, Sony, Tamron, SLR Magic, Rokinon, ect. are all such vastly different companies that the answer is nearly infinite in scope.
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The lens will arrive when it arrives. What more do you think is out there? Canon, Panasonic, Sigma, Sony, Tamron, SLR Magic, Rokinon, ect. are all such vastly different companies that the answer is nearly infinite in scope.
jamesmallonuk
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Look what's your problem? Why are you on this thread if you think it's a stupid topic? And yeah if people if have seen how normally lenses are released they could have a educated opinion on what the time scale is. ven if they can't I come back to my point why are you still talking?
there are tons of threads on here about kit that hasn't been released, some of it for months and still people have and are discussing them. Who made you the discussion police? Just go......
there are tons of threads on here about kit that hasn't been released, some of it for months and still people have and are discussing them. Who made you the discussion police? Just go......
Yes, yes, I am being the discussion police here.
It sounds like you're not a fan of either the sharpness or high contrast, which means that you really have to look at the older film camera lenses that were designed before digital cameras came along, as any new lens is going to be designed for high resolution and high contrast.
I would start with the manual Nikon AI-S lenses and the manual Canon FD lenses, which are going to have much lower sharpness and lower contrast compared to any modern lens.
Sorry, I'm trying to understand where your coming from here. You say that any stabilised zoom that isn't a Lumix has the 'wow' factor?
The Tamron is a modern lens and has modern coatings. I would guess (as it hasn't been released yet) that it won't be as sharp as the Lumix 12-35 2.8.
So if your looking for a stabilized zoom that isn't as sharp as a lumix and are happy with the Tamrons zoom range then that could be the lens for you. Being a modern lens though, I don't think it will give your footage any character that you may get with vintage glass.
jamesmallonuk
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I not sure I agree that modern means over sharp and contrasty. Look at the new sigmas for the m4/3 to be honest look at any lens made for the system other than Pana 's if olympus had made there zooms stabilised I wouldn't be having this converstaion for example. It's extreme but again look at what SLR Magic is doing with 'modern' lenses. If people didn't drive the desire for lenses with character then Leica wouldn't be as popular as they are.
jamesmallonuk
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I need stabilization, I plan to use lenses for run and gun and also mix the GH2 with the BM pocket cam. I see stabilisation essential for my needs.
It's not "over" sharp, it's extremely high resolution. All of the Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 lenses are designed to have the same resolution as a 35mm Full Frame sensor lens does, but over a much smaller imaging area, which makes these m4/3 lenses much higher resolution than most Canon or Nikon lenses when used with a m4/3 camera.
It looks like the new Sigma ART lenses for m4/3 have been designed the same way, so I would expect them to behave like the Olympus and Panasonic lenses.
Most lenses made in the last 10 years have better anti-reflection coating than any of the older 35mm photographic lenses, and this greatly increases image contrast.
Then you are stuck with Panasonic lenses, as it doesn't look like any other manufacturer is making OIS m4/3 lenses.
CORRECTION: Tamron is the only other company, but I expect the Tamron m4/3 lens is going to function just like the Panasonic lens does. ( high resolution, high contrast )
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A few things to remember when it comes to the 'Hollywood' look, The footage out of modern digital cameras (Alexa, Red etc) looks nothing like what you see on the final output. Every single film out of Hollywood has been heavily graded. Also, their Cine Lenses are sharper than any Lumix lens.
jamesmallonuk
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Yeah if you read back I make the same point. Maybe sharp is the wrong word, maybe clinical and characterless is more what I have a problem with. Like I said many of the other brands like olympus and leica are producing nice lenses for the format, just not stabilized zooms.
Steve_Karl
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You're reminding me of the arguments by some audiophiles claiming the superiority of vinyl because they don't like the ability of digital
to capture and reproduce the full range of human hearing. The part usually left out of the discussion is the inability of vinyl to achieve that full range. It's a physical limitation of the media.
If clinical and characterless actually means greater accuracy and a more detail then I'd rather have that.
I can always "warm it up in the mix".
I'd rather have the option to be very clinical and sterile ( translates as accurate to me ) and not be stuck with a predefined character if possible.
When it comes to vintage microphones some of them are said to have a certain "character" which actually means they are inaccurate
in a certain way that some people like and are willing to pay for.
That "character" might make it easy for them because it "colors" or softens the sound in a way that they like,
that saves them some time in post.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, or liking vinyl either.
Others just might have different preferences.
jamesmallonuk
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Pleasing image is pleasing image. I also think the lumix problems is not just accuracy but other factors that add up like Bokeh, color cast, coatings.etc. I suspect what I dont like is the coatings that take away the skiny glassy look, our eyes dont have coatings on that block highlights why should a lens?
In the end I find it's gut instinct and so far my gut instinct says Lumix zooms arent pleasing to MY eye.
jamesmallonuk
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The Tamron 18-200mm on mirrorless Sony E mount might give us some clues to how this lens might look.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n5QTouWbxWE
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n5QTouWbxWE
Steve_Karl
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And "pleasing" is totally subjective.
jamesmallonuk
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Of course, but in the end an ugly wife is an ugly wife, doesn't matter how much you love her.
stoneinapond
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Again, totally subjective.....
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Not exactly sure how you think Olympus lenses don't have that same clinical look because they do. Not that it is bad. I happen to like them but I also like the Panasonic lenses.
Are you comparing Panasonic zooms to Olympus primes? Primes will almost always perform better. Just the nature of optics design. You keep talking about SLR magic and other lenses but fail to realize these are primes. Olympus zooms had the same digital sharpness as Panasonic zooms. From what I have seen the Sigma M4/3 lenses are as sharp as any other M4/3 primes. In fact in corner tests they are sharper than a lot of the Olympus primes. The Olympus 75mm is also well known as the sharpest M4/3 lens out there.
Also keep in mind that even though the Tamron may have stabilization we don't know yet how well it will work. In fact nobody really knows yet how the Tamron M4/3 zoom will perform since it isn't out and there have been no reviews or tests of the lens. Since it is a digital native M4/3 lens however I would assume it will go for the same sharp look as most other electronic M43 lenses. But honestly I or nobody else is going to know until the thing comes out.
Are you comparing Panasonic zooms to Olympus primes? Primes will almost always perform better. Just the nature of optics design. You keep talking about SLR magic and other lenses but fail to realize these are primes. Olympus zooms had the same digital sharpness as Panasonic zooms. From what I have seen the Sigma M4/3 lenses are as sharp as any other M4/3 primes. In fact in corner tests they are sharper than a lot of the Olympus primes. The Olympus 75mm is also well known as the sharpest M4/3 lens out there.
Also keep in mind that even though the Tamron may have stabilization we don't know yet how well it will work. In fact nobody really knows yet how the Tamron M4/3 zoom will perform since it isn't out and there have been no reviews or tests of the lens. Since it is a digital native M4/3 lens however I would assume it will go for the same sharp look as most other electronic M43 lenses. But honestly I or nobody else is going to know until the thing comes out.
jamesmallonuk
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I named various zooms other than Pana that I like. SLR Magic was used just to make a point. Please read before typing something.
Tamron has a tried and tested stabilisation system, a lot better than most. What most on here are failing to recognise with any real interest is that this is the first non Lumix m4/3 stabilized zooms since the system was introduced. It's significant at the very least.
Tamron has a tried and tested stabilisation system, a lot better than most. What most on here are failing to recognise with any real interest is that this is the first non Lumix m4/3 stabilized zooms since the system was introduced. It's significant at the very least.
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