Wait a minute....Barry, did you say it can "STREAM" to a Laptop Hard Drive??

ShannonRawls

ShannonRawls

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Wait a minute....Barry, did you say it can "STREAM" to a Laptop Hard Drive??

Let me be perfectly clear.....

CAN I --->Plug up a firewire cable OR usb2.0 cable to the HVX200 on one end and my Sony Vaio PC (or mac iBook) laptop computer on the other end, and then use a ??capturing-program?? to get a live image on my laptop screen....THen hit the "RECORD" button on the ??capturing-program?? to STREAM live DVCPROHD 4:2:2 100-megabitspersecond 1080p24 footage directly to my laptop computer continuously non-stop until the harddrive on my laptop is completely full????

Please tell me this is true! *smile*

Please say it is possible!

Please give me the name of the program that can do it!

C'mon....bless me with the good news...

- Shannon W. Rawls

The best news would be camera to--->off-the-shelf 2.5" external hard drive, but this is good news. I will be purchasing HDV Power Pak for DV Rack to do this with my Sony Z1U. But I'd like to know if this can be done with the HVX200. THis eliminates the P2 problems I have, because when I shoot, I have the camera tethered to a snake cable anyhow! Adding another cable won't make a difference! *smile*
 
Yes you can definitely do that. FCP-HD or Avid Express HD could do that, as could a hopefully forthcoming DV(cpro-hd) Rack type program.
 
Barry_Green said:
Yes you can definitely do that. FCP-HD or Avid Express HD could do that, as could a hopefully forthcoming DV(cpro-hd) Rack type program.
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WHY ON EARTH have you never said that before?????????
Do you realize what this means for indie filmmakers??????
Do you realize what this means when shooting in a controlled environment????
Do you realize what this means for sit down talking head interviews?????
Do you realize what this means for those who worry about tape dropouts???
Do you realize what this means for people who can't afford P2 cards?????

How can you hold back on this vital and EXCITING information Barry my man?? *smile* I had no idea that you could stream DVCPROHD via firewire to a laptop computer the same way you can do it with DV footage!!! I always thought you needed some special converter or an expensive DVCPROHD deck to rent or something crazy!!

Dude....I'm smilin' ear to ear......Now I have to re-think my entire HD decision for a feature coming up soon. I was tossed between getting 2 more Sony Z1's or picking up two JVC HD100's, because the HVX200-P2 was out of the question. but now......

*smile*

- Shannon W. Rawls
 
O come on. It will be for sure a piece of cake like with the Z1 und DVHSCap on the Mac at the moment.
 
Phillip, it is a piece of cake with the Z1. but we are talking 4:2:2 100mbs w/progressive chips VS. 4:2:0 19mbs w/interlaced chips.

I'm not so much worried about 24p, as I can get 24 frames per second from my Z1. it's those specs above that the Z1- ---> *in my mc hamer voice.... "CAN'T TOUCH THIS!"
 
You can do this with *most* cameras with FireWire, including the DVX, XL2, Z1, and HVX. I thought this was common knowledge. I've been doing this with FCP on a G4 laptop with my DVX for some time, and it works perfectly.

What isn't confirmed is if it can record to a regular hard disk *without* the use of a laptop. THAT would be revolutionary.
 
Sure, but they're already up to 30something mbps to be streamed through FW to HardDrive. So don't you think by the time we get hold of that HVX they might have managed to suck the rate?
*in my denzel washinton voice "THAT ASS IS MINE!"
 
Hey Shannon, sorry to sound like I was holdin' out. Didn't mean to. The thing is, you've been able to do firewire streaming with DVCPRO-HD since last year, when Final Cut Pro-HD was announced. That was the whole big announcement -- they announced a firewire-enabled deck and firewire-enabled streaming/capture, so you could edit VariCam footage on the desktop.

Then Avid announced the same support.

Then Canopus came along and did the same.

So we didn't mean to keep you out of the loop, we thought you knew! :)
 
ShannonRawls said:
Do you realize what this means for indie filmmakers??????
Do you realize what this means when shooting in a controlled environment????
Do you realize what this means for sit down talking head interviews?????
Do you realize what this means for those who worry about tape dropouts???
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Yes, yes I do.

Which is why, if I may be so bold, I recommend you go back to our "February 1, 2006" predictions!

*huge smile*
 
jrv3034 said:
You can do this with *most* cameras with FireWire, including the DVX, XL2, Z1, and HVX. I thought this was common knowledge. I've been doing this with FCP on a G4 laptop with my DVX for some time, and it works perfectly.

What isn't confirmed is if it can record to a regular hard disk *without* the use of a laptop. THAT would be revolutionary.
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You can do this with most "DEE VEE" cameras...not most "ACHH DEE" cameras. Im talkin HD not DV, and the Z1 *JUST RECENTLY* is able to stream live HD via firewire.

- ShannonRawls.com
 
Ok so you can stream to you hard drive,,,,how much hard drive space does a minute of HD take? Regular DV goes through hard drive space pretty fast. If you have a 60 or 80gb hard driveyour going to fill that up in now time.

It sounds good but what then? Another laptop? Stop edit and make a quick DVD? Hook up your iPod?
 
A 60-gig hard drive would last for at least an hour at HD resolution. I wouldn't call that "no time", especially since you can delete unusable clips and keep going. And, you could always hook up another drive to your laptop, say something like a 300gb external drive, which would give you another five hours of recording time.
 
Now I'm confused...so you can stream through final cut pro 5, HD video to an external hard drive, but it is not confirmed if you can go straight to another hard drive without the FCP5 laptop? If that's the case...then wouldn't it be a simple software or special formatting done on the harddrive to allow recording straight to it? I don't understand why it IS confirmed to go through a computer with FCP and on to a hard drive, but not STRAIGHT to a hard drive. Care to explain anyone?
 
Remember Zim, it is just data. The same amount of Data that goes to the P2 cards would streem to the hard drive. So all the other specs about 24P 720 taking this much room, and 1080 24p taking "this" much room on the P2 will be the same on the hard drive wheather it be transfered from the P2 or streamed directly to the Hard drive.
 
a quote from Toms Hardware:

"The camcorder has Firewire and USB2 ports. However, due to its bandwidth limitations, the Fireware connection can only accommodate standard definition video."

If you think about this it could be true since Firewire 400 does not offer the bandwith that Firewire800 does, which could easily handle HD. So if it cant support HD, then you will only be able to "stream" SD into your laptop.
 
now that makes more sense fiercecurry...unless they were able to increase the firewire speed output from the camera.
 
Isn't IEEE 1394 50 MB per second i.e. 400mbps? Isn't DVCPROHD 100mbps? Am I misunderstanding the problem of data rates?
 
Robotxdude - The issue is not bandwidth!

Robotxdude - The issue is not bandwidth!

A standard hard drive is a dumb device. Put it on the floor - it does nothing. Shake it and scream at it... it does nothing. Something has to tell it what to record. A computer usually plays this role.

Similarly, computers tend to treat camcorders as dumb devices. The NLE sends signals to the camera that cause it to record, FF, REW, stop during capture.

Some devices, like the FireStore/QuickCapture/Nnovia are hard drives with a leetle tiny computer that knows how to make the drive record video. That's why they cost more than hard drives.

Now, what we're all wondering is, will the HVX have something like that leetle tiny computer built in, to allow the camcorder to know how to directly control the hard drive, or will we have to use an external computer (either a laptop NLE/DVRack or FireStore-ish thing) between the computer and a hard drive.

FireWire can handle the 100Mbps bandwidth with ease (and more reliably than USB2 due to bandwidth guarantees). It's just a question of controlling the hard drive.

Make sense?
-Barry
 
Barry_Green said:
A 60-gig hard drive would last for at least an hour at HD resolution. I wouldn't call that "no time", especially since you can delete unusable clips and keep going. And, you could always hook up another drive to your laptop, say something like a 300gb external drive, which would give you another five hours of recording time.
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Those external drives are not to bad either(cost). I wonder for my low budget plans if something like Final cut express HD would work?

Just thinking of what you can put together for about $8,000 is awesome. Camera for around $5,000. A new laptop $2,000. Software!!! The only problem? 4th Quarter!
 
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