Vincent Laforet Canon D5 MKII Film

logic108 said:
Kholi you are wrong about this. The reason you are wrong is that the color fidelity on the 5D is so stunningly good that it changes the whole feel of the movie. The lush blues and purples in one scene where the main character is lying on the sofa are absolutely superb and do not give of the feel of a VHS cam at all. Also look at the shot of the guy in the helicopter. The reflection of the nighttime cityscape in his glasses made the film look 'hyperreal' rather than boring 30P VHS style.
So there is more to the feel of a movie than frame-rates
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What you are talking about is color saturation. And this video has great deep vivid color saturation...but it sure as hell does look and feel like video...VHS if thats the term you are using.

Kholi is correct.
 
Impressive. I can tell that he shot with an open shutter sometimes, which contributed to the *bad* Collateral look, (lots of Collateral had the 1/24 shutter look, which is very video too) but that's a very commendable effort for such a short time with the camera!

I still think there's another shoe to drop from Canon in the coming months.
 
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booggerg2 said:
This 30p is very Michael Mann's Miami Vice / Collateral -ish. Ain't nothing wrong with those films...
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Aside from the fact Miami Vice is just a shi* movie.

Collateral:

The smeary nighttime cab footage was made to look that way one purpose. But, that was only SOME of the HD shot on that movie, and those scenes were with the F900. There are also a lot of scenes shot on the Viper...and I bet you can't tell me which ones.

And then, there are scenes where he shot F900, Viper, and Film all at the same time, intermixed in the same scene.
 
The Sarlacc said:
What you are talking about is color saturation. And this video has great deep vivid color saturation...but it sure as hell does look and feel like video...VHS if thats the term you are using.

Kholi is correct.
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I sentence you to watch the Vincent Laforet movie 10 more times. :)

VHS must not even be uttered with any reference to the 5D MKII. I mean it.
 
Nobody is saying that it doesn't look good. People keep spitting out the horrid phrase "it's about the story!" and if it were, then you would be shootin' on whatever is out NOW.

That's why I said VHS.

And, as well, no one is denying the very awesome image coming from the 5D. I won't argue it anymore, I'm with the camp that says Canon needs to wise-up and update firmware before the camera even comes out.
 
f64manray said:
I sentence you to watch the Vincent Laforet movie 10 more times. :)

VHS must not even be uttered with any reference to the 5D MKII. I mean it.
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I said VHS to refernce the term/phrase he was using to describe...

I pretty much just say it looks like the epitome of all video.
 
Kholi said:
Nobody is saying that it doesn't look good. People keep spitting out the horrid phrase "it's about the story!" and if it were, then you would be shootin' on whatever is out NOW.

That's why I said VHS.

And, as well, no one is denying the very awesome image coming from the 5D. I won't argue it anymore, I'm with the camp that says Canon needs to wise-up and update firmware before the camera even comes out.
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And I'm in the camp thats says I'm happy Canon didn't go 24p...because I don't think a still camera should be used to shoot short films and movies...but since all YOU people are determined...they might as well...or I'm liable to rip my eyes looking at the future VIDEO thats going to pop up...
 
These guys (Canon) are working in such mysterious ways. Why the heck don't they give a very simple choice to so many needy guys: 24P? Would it be that difficult to cut back 6 FPS and make so many people smile. Although they might next complain about the compression. But thats a whole other topic altogether.

BTW It would be very difficult to shoot VHS. I think they stopped making those a while back.
 
John Caballero said:
These guys (Canon) are working in such mysterious ways. Why the heck don't they give a very simple choice to so many needy guys: 24P? Would it be that difficult to cut back 6 FPS and make so many people smile. Although they might next complain about the compression. But thats a whole other topic altogether.

BTW It would be very difficult to shoot VHS. I think they stopped making those a while back.
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Dude you can find some great deals on VHS...especially VHS-C...who wouldnt want to shoot a feature on that? Amazing format really...

Canon's thoughts on 30p...."We created the whole prosumer market with our XL1 and then everyone trumped us and we had failure after failure following that...we don't want to f**k ourselves, too, creating a product that renders years and $$$ of R&D from another part of our company."
 
Kholi said:
Nobody is saying that it doesn't look good. People keep spitting out the horrid phrase "it's about the story!" and if it were, then you would be shootin' on whatever is out NOW.

That's why I said VHS.

And, as well, no one is denying the very awesome image coming from the 5D. I won't argue it anymore, I'm with the camp that says Canon needs to wise-up and update firmware before the camera even comes out.
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I won't argue with you Kholi because I respect your experience, knowledge, etc. and I always subscribe to the wisdom: If you don't know anything, shut up and listen from those that do. And I've learned alot from you.

But I'll tell why I don't shoot on the crap gear that's out now. Because to my still photographic eye with twenty years of experience shooting and in the darkroom printing, everything in video didn't look tolerable (even remotely so). The DVX was barely acceptable to me visually and I was on my way to buy it when all hell broke loose. Visually I am drawn into an image by lighting, contrast, color saturation, and even grain. And then, when I'm drawn into the image the movie maker has an opportunity to tell me a story (granted, a very short opportunity) but they do have a five minute latitude to make their pitch to gain my interest with some powerful motherf*&(**in content. If the content is there, I won't even notice 30p. Yes, I would like by some miracle for them to make a change to 24p, but it's just one factor of many and at the bottom of the list. because regular boring video at 24p is, well, still pretty boring no matter how it moves. The 5D is alive, vibrant, and ready to suck you into some good content.
 
Can't wait to use this with my 50L f/1.2 and 135 f/2. The thing is the color fidelity. It's like Andromeda on steroids.
Obviously it's a still camera first, but the color reproduction and low light performance seems to be just so good that I don't care - I just want this camera.
Agreed with f64manray.
 
logic108 said:
Can't wait to use this with my 50L f/1.2 and 135 f/2. The thing is the color fidelity. It's like Andromeda on steroids.
Obviously it's a still camera first, but the color reproduction and low light performance seems to be just so good that I don't care - I just want this camera.
Agreed with f64manray.
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yep, Canon just sold me a bunch of "L" glass with the introduction of the MKII. Those clever little bastards.
 
So far so good in the rolling shutter dept; at least it's no worse than an HV30, which is the base level of my tolerance.

Maybe someone can invent a vibrating 24p adapter for it.
 
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