Eric Coughlin
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Right, so you acknowledge that photographers and videographers have different needs, but then you go off quoting your photographer friend in regards to your video needs.If you had read a previous post I did in fact acknowledge photographers and videographers have different needs as far as functionality goes. For starters photographers don't need to pull focus constantly. I also think the bar is lower for videographers you know..... wedding films, corporate videos, interviews TV, etc. Cinematographers are a cut above.
Photographers have their photos frozen in time, where as video takes place in time. Regardless of who is what, one thing is for sure...... photographers know a sharp lens when they see one, and videographers as you have pointed out aren't concerned with a sharp lens. In the context (sharp lenses) of my original comment about photographers I think I wasn't that far from the truth.
It's interesting you mention sound. I guess I'm just one of those idiots who buy the best mics on the planet instead of what most of you guys probably use. I'm sure you will now tell me the quality of microphones and external recording devices are a waste of money too.
I've seen countless videos demonstrating different lenses on the C100 and 5D3 and I won't be bamboozled into thinking that there is no difference between the 24-105 and the 70-200 f2.8 like I've said, I've seen it with my lying eyes. I guess it is more of an issue of money and economics for most of you guys.
Eric said: "Even on a C100 which is quite sharp, you're still only shooting 2 megapixels so the difference between a really sharp lens and a not as sharp lens won't be as substantial as when shooting 22 megapixels on a still camera."
Again you prove my point that photographers know more about the difference in sharp lens..... thank you.
So let me get this straight according to you all we need is the 24-105 and were fine. Got it! Thanks!
No one ever said in this topic that sharper lenses on the C100 don't make a difference; they do, and no one ever said that the 24-105 is as sharp as a 24-70 II or 70-200 II. It's just that sharper lenses don't make as much of a difference as they would on a 22 megapixel still camera, and that must be taken into consideration when choosing lenses, and that photographers who have a lot of knowledge of still lenses are probably not your best guide in making lens purchases for video cameras. The Canon 24-105 is "good enough" for a lot of videographers' work, good enough meaning the client is happy, the videographer is well paid for their services, and everyone is happy, except perhaps for a photographer who misunderstands what needs videographers have and raves about their superior lenses which a lot of videographers don't need but may want.
Of course all purchases come down to budgetary choices unless one is rich or happens to have very high paying clients in relation to the cost of their gear. It's my opinion that a Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is a good purchase, but only after you've purchased other more important items such as good audio, cameras, lighting, etc., as the differences in image quality compared to other cheaper but good quality lenses (such as Nikons) is not as large as the benefits that you can achieve with better cameras, lighting, etc., for the same amount of money.
As an example, you could ask your photographer friend if for general purpose photography they'd rather have a Canon 70-200 f/4 IS (along with other general lenses) with flashes or a Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS without flashes, and I'd guess they'd prefer to have flashes available even if it means shooting on a less sharp lens. It's all about prioritizing based on the budget you have to get the best results you can with what you can currently afford.
You also have to consider that a lot of work which goes out to Youtube gets played at a default of 480p from those who don't want to make the effort to select 1080p and often viewers dont make the image full-screen, as well as many people watching it on their phones and tablets. While a sharp 1080p image is nice, if only a small percentage of your audience is viewing it properly, then money spent on sharper lenses may again be going to waste. Whereas, say dynamic range, for example, which is better on a C100 than a 5D, is something that can be noticed by the general audiences even on a smartphone (window blown out vs. not blown out), as well as the difference between good lighting and bad lighting.
For audio I have the Scheops CMC641, Sanken CS-3e, Sanken COS-11D, Countryman B6, and Countryman B3, which is about $4500 worth of mics not including the other 10 or so cheaper mics I have. I'm not one of those cheap mic videographers you mention.
Then again, I've been using a Canon 24-105 and a Nikon 80-200 f/2.8 for a lot of my work, instead of superior lenses such as the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS and Canon 24-70 f/2.8 II, which together cost $4000. Are you suggesting my work over the past couple years would have been better if I had skipped out on the expensive mics and instead bought those expensive lenses? I can't afford everything so choices have to be made.
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