Video equal, will you sell your 7D for a T2i?

[jonE5]

Well, lots of speculation out today. Just wanted a poll of 7D owners.

If the T2i, comes out and video is essentially equal, will you sell your 7D and pocket the difference?

I just got my 7D used like 2 weeks ago (after selling my d90 and all my nikon gear). I love it so far, but an extra $600 in my pocket i might love to.

hmmm, i really wont use the advanced photo features of the 7D.

Is it worth it to keep it jsut for the better controls and sturdier frame?

 

[seven.b]

IF the video is equal, I will probably end up selling; then picking up two T2i's. That's also if the re-sale value of these 7D's doesn't drop to like 1200 bucks with them flooding the market... Hopefully not.

 

[jrod81]

so what controls are going to still be better on the 7d?

 

[jonE5]

Tough part for me is that i made so much money on the sale of my D90, that it only cost me $200 to upgrade to the 7D (minus 2 lenses, so i guess really it would be more like $400).

But man, that extra money from 7D sale, would be pretty nice, and pay for a lot of good equipment. I really hate the plasticy feel though of the lower Rebel line though.

 

[Zim]

Looks like a nice camera. A budget 7D. Same sensor. It would b nice if you were thinking about getting another 7D. Save a bunch of cash.

 

[Barry_Green]

Same sensor.

Not according to the press release. They say it has a "newly developed 18MP sensor". My guess is that it has comparable specs in size and whatnot to the 7D, but that it's a slower chip and therefore cheaper to manufacture, which also explains why it's 3.5fps instead of 8fps in stills...

 

[seven.b]

Not according to the press release. They say it has a "newly developed 18MP sensor". My guess is that it has comparable specs in size and whatnot to the 7D, but that it's a slower chip and therefore cheaper to manufacture, which also explains why it's 3.5fps instead of 8fps in stills...

So, if that were true, would this slower chip necessarily contribute more toward rolling shutter?

 

[jrod81]

what does this mean, as found on techradar.com:
Canon has also announced that it has developed a free EOS movie plug-in for Final Cut Pro, so it's easier to get your footage off of the camera and into the edit suite.

this mean we don't have to do prores conversion any longer?

 

[Barry_Green]

So, if that were true, would this slower chip necessarily contribute more toward rolling shutter?

No possible way to know.

One truism you can pretty much count on is this: it won't be the same as the 7D. There will be reasons why the 7D costs more than the 550D. Just like there are reasons the 5D costs more than the 7D.

Doesn't mean the compromises inherent in the 550D will MATTER to you though. Just like there's nothing about the 5D that would make ME want to spend the extra $1,000 over the 7D (even though there are many who would), it's entirely possible that whatever cost-cutting measures they undertook (to get the 550D at half the price of the 7D) will or won't matter to any particular buyer.

We won't know for sure until we get our hands on 'em and do some side-by-side comparisons. But you can absolutely bet your bottom dollar that there are things that the 7D does better than the 550D. The price tag guarantees it.

The only real question is: does it matter, for your intended purpose? Because if not, then $799 body-only is an incredible screaming deal.

Now, if they had discontinued the 7D and replaced it with the 550D, then there'd be a good case to argue that it'd be just as good, only cheaper. But with the 7D on the market at the same time, there are obviously reasons that Canon believes that the 7D is worth $900 more (more than twice as much!) as the 550D. I don't know what those reasons are, of course, and we'll only know once we get our hands on it.

 

[jdudley]

I just shipped my Ebayed D90 and Nikon gear today after switching to the 7D. I don't see the resale value of the 7D dropping substantially; it's still very new and positioned well features wise as a still camera. $600 dollars would go a long way towards an excellent lens, but it will be hard to decide until the 550D is actually released and tested. The build quality is definitely night and day between the two, but I'd still rather drop a $800 camera apposed to a $1500 camera. Since the 550D won't be release until March, selling the 7D isn't an option right now.

 

[Barry_Green]

Okay, here's an example of a change, and whether it's more suitable to your purposes. We understand (don't we? I think we've been told this...) that the 550D has ONE Digic processor, instead of the 7D's two. Clearly that would be a cost-cutting move. And clearly the 7D benefits from having two, in some way or other. BUT -- does it matter to you? Because, check this out -- Zim's guess is that maybe the 550D would be *less prone to overheating.* Indeed, having less processing power, it would seem a reasonable guess that it would be less likely to overheat.

So -- could this be a case of the less-expensive product actually being more appropriate for our intended purposes? I think that's the case with the 5D vs. 7D, certainly; the 7D is the more-appropriate filmmaking product, even though it's less expensive. So maybe that'll be the case here -- maybe the 550D will have "good enough" picture quality, and less overheating, making it better for videomaking even though it's less expensive. Maybe the dual-Digic design is good for stills but doesn't do so much for video? I don't know, just tossing stuff out there to show why "you can never tell."

We don't know what the differences will be. Maybe the 550D will have massive rolling shutter problems, as the cost of getting the lower price. Or, just maybe, it'll do everything video-wise that the 7D does, and its cost-savings will come at the expense of still-camera functionality. If that were the case, I doubt very many DVXUsers would be upset by that tradeoff!

 

[jrod81]

where are you seeing a release date of march? i can't find a date anywhere...
also, i saw that the t2i will be using sdxc cards instead of cf or even sdhc... this is pretty cool, but i am wondering this... since the sdxc cards don't use fat32 (according to bi-tech.net) will there not be the dreaded 12minute turn off like on the 7d

 

[jamesc]

what does this mean, as found on techradar.com:
Canon has also announced that it has developed a free EOS movie plug-in for Final Cut Pro, so it's easier to get your footage off of the camera and into the edit suite.

this mean we don't have to do prores conversion any longer?

No, you still have to transcode to Prores as the a Log & Transfer plugin. They talked about this at the SF Supermeet, all it really adds is it keeps metadata intact during the Log & Transfer.

 

[seven.b]

Okay, here's an example of a change, and whether it's more suitable to your purposes. We understand (don't we? I think we've been told this...) that the 550D has ONE Digic processor, instead of the 7D's two. Clearly that would be a cost-cutting move. And clearly the 7D benefits from having two, in some way or other. BUT -- does it matter to you? Because, check this out -- Zim's guess is that maybe the 550D would be *less prone to overheating.* Indeed, having less processing power, it would seem a reasonable guess that it would be less likely to overheat.

So -- could this be a case of the less-expensive product actually being more appropriate for our intended purposes? I think that's the case with the 5D vs. 7D, certainly; the 7D is the more-appropriate filmmaking product, even though it's less expensive. So maybe that'll be the case here -- maybe the 550D will have "good enough" picture quality, and less overheating, making it better for videomaking even though it's less expensive. Maybe the dual-Digic design is good for stills but doesn't do so much for video? I don't know, just tossing stuff out there to show why "you can never tell."

We don't know what the differences will be. Maybe the 550D will have massive rolling shutter problems, as the cost of getting the lower price. Or, just maybe, it'll do everything video-wise that the 7D does, and its cost-savings will come at the expense of still-camera functionality. If that were the case, I doubt very many DVXUsers would be upset by that tradeoff!

Well said. Also; this camera uses SDHC/SDXC? Maybe we'll be able to record 12min+? That's another thing to think about/hope for.

 

[Abaddon]

Since I do photography as well, I'd rather have a 7D. I like the design better also.

 

[roxics]

Okay, here's an example of a change, and whether it's more suitable to your purposes. We understand (don't we? I think we've been told this...) that the 550D has ONE Digic processor, instead of the 7D's two. Clearly that would be a cost-cutting move. And clearly the 7D benefits from having two, in some way or other. BUT -- does it matter to you? Because, check this out -- Zim's guess is that maybe the 550D would be *less prone to overheating.* Indeed, having less processing power, it would seem a reasonable guess that it would be less likely to overheat.

I want to believe this too. But that's assuming the 7D uses the dual digic while shooting video. Is there any confirmation on this? It's possible that when shooting video it uses only one processor. I don't know. I don't know how the architecture works.

since the sdxc cards don't use fat32 (according to bi-tech.net) will there not be the dreaded 12minute turn off like on the 7d

According to DPreview, it is still capped at 4GB files for recording. My assumption is that it does use fat32. At least while shooting to SD and SDHC cards. No mention otherwise.

 

[Ian-T]

Well said. Also; this camera uses SDHC/SDXC? Maybe we'll be able to record 12min+? That's another thing to think about/hope for.

Don't know about that but this is what canon specs say:

Continuous Shooting Time
Approx. 12 min. (1920 x 1080), 18 min. (1280 x 720), 24 min. (640 x 480)
Based on Canon's testing standards using a 4GB card

EDIT: Ok you beat me to it roxics.

 

[seven.b]

Don't know about that but this is what canon specs say:

Continuous Shooting Time
Approx. 12 min. (1920 x 1080), 18 min. (1280 x 720), 24 min. (640 x 480)
Based on Canon's testing standards using a 4GB card

EDIT: Ok you beat me to it roxics.

So then with an 8GB card those times would double. Clearly, they are saying the 12 min recording limit is no longer existent by saying you'd get 18 min in 720p.

 

[Ian-T]

So then with an 8GB card those times would double. Clearly, they are saying the 12 min recording limit is no longer existent by saying you'd get 18 min in 720p.

I don't think that it's clear necessarily. If I remember correctly it's the same verbage as the 7D. i could be wrong though.

 

[HHL]

I can't believe I'm saying this...(and I know it ain't over)....I'm glad I waited to buy the 7d body. I have almost pulled the trigger on the 7d for several months. There aspects of the image that I have been hoping someone would improve upon. I do NOT expect an improvement, but for half the cost....I'll deal with it! I can't believe we're going to get (maybe going to get) a MANUAL control, variable frame rate, DSLR, for 899 (kit) ....WOW!