Using "clean" HDMI out from A5100/A6000

It's slog2 vs the log profile on the Panasonic. It's log, but not nearly as wide as slog2. The scene was very challenging: there's a fresnel right left of the frame, and the shadow I took as a benchmark was pretty deep.

This is the NEX-5N, which I believe has the same DR as the a5100 and a6000. Also, Pocket RAW and 5D3+RAW.

Now, sharpness, that's a completely different story... sharpness

(I ran all these tests trying to decide which camera to use for an important project; we ended up choosing the pocket, because it was the DR winner)
 
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M. Gilden said:
So, I whipped up a video today to try and illustrate and explain the problem better.

In other news, I remember why I rarely appear in front of the camera. :/


https://youtu.be/de8EQdDo1tc
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I totally forgot the a6000 had 4:2:2 out on the hdmi. Can you tell a noticable difference between the sharpness of color details between internal and external recordings? How about shadows when they are boosted, do they retain more detail in the uncompressed external recording?
 
JoeThePro said:
I totally forgot the a6000 had 4:2:2 out on the hdmi. Can you tell a noticable difference between the sharpness of color details between internal and external recordings? How about shadows when they are boosted, do they retain more detail in the uncompressed external recording?
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I compared it once for green screen keying, its hard to tell if it made as much of a difference as I found the 4:2:0 to work fine so I'm not sure what I was expecting.
I believe you can push the grade more, but its hard to tell how much of that has to do with the color resolution as it does the far better codecs and bitrates you suddenly have access to. I don't heavily grade, but it does seem to hold up better! For under $300, the main reason I was interested in the Ninja was for unlimited set-it-and-forget-it recording as a B-cam for events. I have also connected my A7s to an internet streaming box over the hdmi to live stream a speach to viewers all over the world. Its a pretty great feature of these cameras that often get overlooked!
 
M. Gilden said:
I compared it once for green screen keying, its hard to tell if it made as much of a difference as I found the 4:2:0 to work fine so I'm not sure what I was expecting.
I believe you can push the grade more, but its hard to tell how much of that has to do with the color resolution as it does the far better codecs and bitrates you suddenly have access to. I don't heavily grade, but it does seem to hold up better! For under $300, the main reason I was interested in the Ninja was for unlimited set-it-and-forget-it recording as a B-cam for events. I have also connected my A7s to an internet streaming box over the hdmi to live stream a speach to viewers all over the world. Its a pretty great feature of these cameras that often get overlooked!
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Does the Ninja record 60 fps or 30 max?
 
So, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm looking forward to seeing whether or not the A6300 ends up with this bug too.

Hey while we're at it- can anyone confirm that the A7Smii and A7Rmii don't have the skin smoothing bug also? I'd assume since the A7S no longer does it, the later iterations didn't either. But the A6000 got XAVCS in V2 after that update and it still never got fixed, so anything is possible?
 
Im guessing it wont have it. After all the fuss, and the A7s not having it... Actually I wouldnt be surprised if it was still there haha.
 
So I'm touch with someone who just met with Sony reps close enough to the engineering team to get some sort of response.

At first they tried to say it was tied to face detection by design, which doesn't make sense because it isn't tied to it in any other mode (photography, etc). Then I forwarded him my video demonstrating the problem, and how it exists even with face detection OFF.
They looked into it and got back to him with the following:

"For the 7S, we have successfully updated the firmware so that this has been now addressed with the latest firmware.For A6300, this feedback has been reflected."

Which to me means, they fixed it on the A7S (which I already knew and proved), and cameras released after that won't have it anymore. That's good for potential A6300 owners. However, oddly absent from the exchange was any mention of planned firmware updates for the other cameras effected, namely the A6000 and A5100.

At least they admit the problem exists. Validation is nice. But when a company tells you that the solution is "buy the next model", it doesn't instill me with confidence to invest in their equipment. This is a bad move on Sony's part!
 
I also read it as "we put on the a6300 the same fix from the a7S" (a fix that is, in fact, the disabling of an ill-advised feature: skin smoothing may be good in post but it's not what we want in camera).
 
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