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Trouble with uploading scene files ...

Trouble with uploading scene files ...

Sorry for a second post in the forum overall ... but I'm really looking for an answer and I don't know where it's best to post:

Hello,

I'm not usually this dense, but I'm stumped on this one. I have a new 170 and am generally shooting in CINE V -- that's where it's set F5 on the SCENE FILE dial, but want to add some scene files. I have duped Barry's "FR.RATES" file and named it <SCENE2.TXT> and duped "EXTREMES" scene file and named it <SCENE3.TXT>. Copied to a SD card. In the camera CARD FUNCTIONS>SCENE FILES>YES, I can see these files:
FILE 1 NO FILE
FILE 2 FR.RATES
FILE 3 EXTREMES
FILE 4 NO FILE

Using FILE SELECT, I can toggle to SCENE FILE 3, work my way through and choose WRITE, and it does -- WRITE OK. But it doesn't change the results when I turn the SCENE FILE dial. One time it did, but I must have done something differently. I've been unable to get FR.RATES to work either.

I have a feeling I'm missing something obvious.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Bradley
 
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Dear Barry,

Thank you for taking the time to share all of the info about the Panasonic DVX, HVX and HPX camera systems. It is really helpful, and I just wanted to express how much I appreciate your time and effort. I've been DP'ong and shooting with the DVX and HVX for several years, and have recently shot several projects with the HPX170.

The company I work for, TK Productions (tkproductions.com) purchased an HPX170 last week - and we are experiencing some struggles with the HPX170. These struggles prompted me to research your site, and see if you can help us out with a few questions.

We are experiencing noise in the following situations with both the HX200 and the HPX170:

01. When shooting outside in bright sunlight, or in a well-lit green screen setting - we are getting noise in darker areas of the picture. For example, in bright sunlight or on a green screen shoot with talent wearing a dark suit - the dark suit generally has noise.

02. When shooting 1080i, our picture looks really ratty.

We have to shoot a high profile project for a client on Friday, March 4th, and we need to resolve the 1080i noise issue asap.

I noticed on another site it is recommended to shoot 720p24pn and cross convert the edited 720p sequence to 1080.

We notice shooting the picture seems to look better at 720p than at 1080i. Is that because of the way the camera "stretches" the native 720p picture to 1080?

Would any of the scene files from your book / CD help us to obtain the best possible picture shooting in 1080i?

Also, do you have any scene file settings for shooting at 1080i we could try to see if that would help us get a clearer, better picture?

Last, we shoot a project with our HVX200 in November of 2010 - and we saw noise in most of the shots - even though we lit the scenes with an HMI.

Is the noise we are experiencing something we have to "settle" for while using the Panasonic cameras?

Looking forward to your feedback...if possible, can you please send your reply to "chris@tkprodctions.com"?

Thanks again Barry - have a great day!

Sincerely,

Christopher Manos
Director / DP / Producer
TK Productions
www.tkproductions.com
office: chris@tkproductions.com
office: 610.369.7111 x29
cell: 215.290.1023
personal: supermanos@comcast.net
 
Zonie said:
We are experiencing noise in the following situations with both the HX200 and the HPX170:

01. When shooting outside in bright sunlight, or in a well-lit green screen setting - we are getting noise in darker areas of the picture. For example, in bright sunlight or on a green screen shoot with talent wearing a dark suit - the dark suit generally has noise.
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You should be seeing substantially less noise on the HPX170 than on the original HVX200. They're not noiseless camcorders, but you can do some things to tame the noise that they do have. First thing to do is execute a black balance. Then go into the scene file settings. There are several settings you can change, but the more grainless you tune the image, the softer it will look, so you'll have to find a balance that you prefer.

You can load up the "LONOIZ" scene file off the CD, and it'll get ou about as low-noise as the cameras can do... but it might look soft.

The main noise-control settings are:
Detail and V-Detail: the lower ou set them, the less visible the noise will be, but the image will look softer.
Coring: the higher you set it, the less visible noise will be, but setting coring too high can result in plasticy/blotchy patches on areas of fine detail, some people have described it as a sort of "oil paint" look.
Master Pedestal: lowering it a few notches can crush the blacks down and crush out a lot of noise. Usually go a little into the negatives, maybe -2 to -5 or so.
Gamma: Cine-V or B.Press are the lowest-noise gammas, but they do also deliver a contrasty image. Cine-D has the most latitude, but it's also the noisiest of the gammas.
Matrix - the Norm2 or Fluo matrix should show a less noise, CINE shows the most noise.


02. When shooting 1080i, our picture looks really ratty.
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Not sure how to interpret "ratty".

I noticed on another site it is recommended to shoot 720p24pn and cross convert the edited 720p sequence to 1080.

We notice shooting the picture seems to look better at 720p than at 1080i. Is that because of the way the camera "stretches" the native 720p picture to 1080?
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I would not agree on that at all. The picture always looks better in 1080p than it does in 720p. I have never heard anyone recommend to convert 720p into a 1080 sequence. I have heard folks recommend to shoot 1080 and shrink it down to 720, and that is a reasonable thing to do if you need a 720 master.

I'm not a fan of shooting 1080i, as in 1080/60i. But if you want the film look, 1080i/24pA is my preferred method for the sharpest images and the highest color resolution.

That said, there are many folks who just stick with 720 for the space savings on the memory cards, and for avoiding pulldown in the editing process. If that's the way you want to go, there's nothing wrong with that... but I believe that the 1080p image is sharper and better than the 720 image.

The camera doesn't start out with 720 and stretch it to 1080, instead it always operates internally from 1080, and if it has to record 720 it scales its 1080 down to 720.

Would any of the scene files from your book / CD help us to obtain the best possible picture shooting in 1080i?
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The scene files are aimed at being starting points, examples of extremes, or basic film looks. The "best possible" settings are dependent on what you're shooting, the situation you're shooting it under, and what look you're going for.

Last, we shoot a project with our HVX200 in November of 2010 - and we saw noise in most of the shots - even though we lit the scenes with an HMI.
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Like I said before, there is going to be noise, it's not a noiseless camera. That said, try the noise-optimization settings I outlined before and you should be able to make substantial improvements in what you're getting.
 
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