Update on the Genesis...

[Mike Krumlauf]

Im sure a few of you are going to be rolling your eyes at the conclusion of my lens mod on the genesis but this is what I did and this is what I AM happy with.


I modified a 24mm f2.8 M42 lens and e-epoxy secured the lens to the camera. I am off inf focus by a mm. This first test was rough due to poor lighting in my home, but I am happy with it and I can now use the genesis.

& heres a panalog raw vs graded shot

 

[Paul F]

Mike, I'm rolling my eyes. But who cares. Enjoy your obsession. How were you able to center the lens on the mount? Pictures please.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

Mike, I'm rolling my eyes. But who cares. Enjoy your obsession. How were you able to center the lens on the mount? Pictures please.

hahaha its all good man, roll all you want, i dont care :b.

I took the mount off the back of the lens, covered sensitive areas with etape, lines up the lens and layed down the poxy. I did mount everything in a way where if i did want to remove it i could and there would not be any perm damage to the camera or the lens

 

[SJX]

So you basically converted a $200,000 panavision camera into HVX200? Awesome idea. Next to complete it maybe make 65mm adapter with spinning CD? Then you have first 65mm genesis in the world. :engel017:

Nah, enjoy! :thumbsup:

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

So you basically converted a $200,000 panavision camera into HVX200? Awesome idea. Next to complete it maybe make 65mm adapter with spinning CD? Then you have first 65mm genesis in the world. :engel017:

Nah, enjoy! :thumbsup:

Laying the sarcasm on thick there buddy. Hey for what I have available to me, it does the job. I’m sure once this corona bs is over and I’m back to work I’ll find other options. My mods are reversible if I want them to be. I’m just happy I can finally shoot with the damn thing

 

[yachacha]

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Good first draft, you are learning where the lens needs to be in order to work with F35.

Get yourself a dremel and a lot of the sanding tools, it’s easy to shape metal once you get some confidence. it looks quite easy to mount m42 mount off K3 16mm camera.

You should be able to find a way to make m42 fit quite easily if you can remove front plate and dremel. With some good thought you can keep panavision mounting holes to return to.

 

[torresfilms]

Im sure a few of you are going to be rolling your eyes at the conclusion of my lens mod on the genesis but this is what I did and this is what I AM happy with.


I modified a 24mm f2.8 M42 lens and e-epoxy secured the lens to the camera. I am off inf focus by a mm. This first test was rough due to poor lighting in my home, but I am happy with it and I can now use the genesis.

& heres a panalog raw vs graded shot

It is a crazy idea but who cares bro. Just be you! As long as you like it and it works for you then that’s all that should matter. I think it’s a bold and brave idea and that shows how bold and brave you are as a person

Cheers! Have fun shooting bro!

 

[Barry1908]

As one of the few people here that have actually watched your feature doc (sorry cant remember the name but about your friend that died, but it was quite good, yes I watched the whole thing). I would say, you've done a lot of camera musical chairs lately but now it's time to go back and make something else new. We all love cool tech, but its only because of the what it can do not the camera itself . It's possible to make something with 1 lens so whats stopping you.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

As one of the few people here that have actually watched your feature doc (sorry cant remember the name but about your friend that died, but it was quite good, yes I watched the whole thing). I would say, you've done a lot of camera musical chairs lately but now it's time to go back and make something else new. We all love cool tech, but its only because of the what it can do not the camera itself . It's possible to make something with 1 lens so whats stopping you.

Exactly man! and if you really followed me since 2005, you'll know ive always played camera musical chairs. I had a 3 year break in that when I was working solid with the varicam. Always been my goal to get my hands on as many cameras as I can. My number is 70+ to date since 2005.

Also, thank you very much for taking the time to watch my documentary

 

[Barry1908]

Wow that’s a lot of cameras! I’m in a long term relationship with my C100, I think I’ll pickup a 2nd body if I have enough work thru COViD

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

Wow that’s a lot of cameras! I’m in a long term relationship with my C100, I think I’ll pickup a 2nd body if I have enough work thru COViD

Im getting damn close to getting a panavision mount onto the m42 lens. I removed all the poxy glue off the camera and body. I got one of those cheap M42 adapter that has the little piece of glass in it to help with reaching inf focus and E taped it to the back element of the lens. Im going to boar out the panavision body cap, attach it securely to the Panavision Mount, bingo, done! I have the lens just sitting on the PV mount with double sided 3M tape and E-Tape and its looking better. That back optical element from the adapter did wonders and was only 5 bucks

 

[Grug]

Mike, we've seen some whacky plans with these cameras, and yours might just be the whackiest of all! But it's good fun to see the passion and the problem solving. I'm following your adventures with interest.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

Mike, we've seen some whacky plans with these cameras, and yours might just be the whackiest of all! But it's good fun to see the passion and the problem solving. I'm following your adventures with interest.

Have you seen other plans? Are their other Genesis' in the wild?

 

[Grug]

Have you seen other plans? Are their other Genesis' in the wild?

It's an F35 in a Panavision-monogrammed suit, so I'm lumping them all in together.

 

[CharlesPapert]

It's an F35 in a Panavision-monogrammed suit, so I'm lumping them all in together.

It's been too long for me to remember the specifics, but when the F35 came out several years after the Genesis, Sony was claiming differences/improvements. Upgraded processor or sensor perhaps? I do remember the F35 claimed very slightly higher sensitivity...500 ISO vs 320.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

It's an F35 in a Panavision-monogrammed suit, so I'm lumping them all in together.

Its really not. Same concept but different. The Genesis' sensor is different as is the electronics. The f35 is far superior to the genesis in terms of sensitivity and color bit depth. Still though the Genesis Look is unique to itself and I really enjoy it. Actually just re visited an old film "Before the devil knows youre dead" which was shot on genesis. Beautiful film.

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

It's been too long for me to remember the specifics, but when the F35 came out several years after the Genesis, Sony was claiming differences/improvements. Upgraded processor or sensor perhaps? I do remember the F35 claimed very slightly higher sensitivity...500 ISO vs 320.

I thought F35 was rated at 800? Or am I thinking of Red One MX? I believe Genesis is rated at 400 ASA

 

[CharlesPapert]

I think you are right on both, Mike. The F35 started out lower but I think an upgrade brought it up to 800. There was always speculation about underrating those cameras to reduce noise. No-one was embracing it as desirable “texture” back then...ha! I think the D21 had the lowest EI of all of them, maybe that was the 320 one.

Mostly: once the Alexa landed, we quickly forgot about those cameras and their big outboard recorders...

 

[Mike Krumlauf]

I think you are right on both, Mike. The F35 started out lower but I think an upgrade brought it up to 800. There was always speculation about underrating those cameras to reduce noise. No-one was embracing it as desirable “texture” back then...ha! I think the D21 had the lowest EI of all of them, maybe that was the 320 one.

Mostly: once the Alexa landed, we quickly forgot about those cameras and their big outboard recorders...

I would have really enjoyed seeing the companies continue to perfect CCD tech instead of going the cheaper route and doing CMOS. Ive always enjoyed CCD chipsets better.

 

[yachacha]

Do you have a source for the info that the F35 and Genesis Sensor's were different?

Others who know their tech have said the opposite. See JMtheDP's comments in F35 vs Genesis thread. The 35mm CCD was such a low yield, it would make a whole lot more sense to keep the very expensive part of designing, testing, and producing the wafer the same. Look at how long Arri stuck with the exact same sensor, back end processing is cheap and can always squeeze better performance for less money compared to the cost of developing new sensor.

From a manufacturing standpoint CMOS was always going to win. CCD is incredibly expensive vs CMOS and the yield of good to bad chips is very low. So a lot more testing has to go into checking every single CCD before it can be deemed useable.