Uh Oh. Samsung NX1 Test Video

eddavid

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****UPDATE: CRITICSM addressed! And a lot of criticism. I guess "Uh-Oh" won't get me a cinematography Oscar!
I should have exported as 4k pro res hq files, not 1080p pro res files - may explain Moire on some shots. Opps. Also shooting at 4096x2160- only option I have - doesn't give me the option to shoot at 3840x2160 at anything other than 30p - maybe NTSC version so messes it? In Pal I can shoot at 3840 x 2160 but I do like 24p more than 25p. and that's the only option.
Let's address criticisms:
1. the shutter, oh god the shutter! Hey, it doesn't look any worse than the Sony A7S in full frame mode or the Canon 5d Mark II - how do we get around this - same technique - shoot with a baseplate and make the camera a little bulkier. You can still work with Jello - just work around it.
2. the moire! oh the moire. probably because of downconvert I did in wondershare - should have kept it 4k files and downconverted via resolve. I will shoot some resolution charts to see. Wondershare is a consumer-y transocding program. So I don't have that much faith in it.
3. the blacks are too black! WHY? --This is my style. I like blacks that are black. Not raised black levels. I like rich blacks. Did they clip? I will go back into resolve and check and redo. Yes okay it's too black. Oh well. I got carried away. So sue me - this is a simple test video, I'll regrade once I'm done putting out fires on camera nerd forums.
4. The dynamic range is garbage - garbage. This is my choice. Again I'll post it ungraded. There is about the same dynamic range judging by my informal eyes as the Red Epic. 12-13 stops. Andrew as EOSHD says the camera may eventually get 14 stops because that's what it can do in stills mode. So there is hope, if you like HDR like 14 stops footage which to me I don't like - I personally think too much dynamic range looks CARTOONY. But that's just me.
5. The blow out on the globe! OH MY GOD THE BLOW OUT - I probably didn't protect for the highlights. If I had a light meter the direct insane sun hitting the globe I would rate at f/32 and the globe underexposed parts at 1/4 at 400 ISO. What is the NX1's native ISO? Does anyone know?
H.265. It is almost as good as Pro Res 444 but at 1% of the size.
eoshd.com/2013/11/new-h-265-codec-test-prores-4444-quality-1-file-size/
The Samsung NX1 is a $1500 dslr that can record 4k to H.265 - pretty much the most important video compression algorithm of the past decade. This is what the HBO geek comedy Silicon Valley I think is kind of about, in an indirect way.
Thanks to Andrew Reid and EOSHD.com for telling me about this camera, I bought this little plastic bombshell. I bought it because of him.
I used Wondershare to convert to Pro Res HQ and then took into resolve and applied a Impulz Slog lut 200T tungsten FPE to it, lowered contrast, and messed with the gamma curve. I screwed up on this app. Oh well.
I shot using these settings:
1. Color - kept at default
2. Saturation - Minus 3
3. Sharpness - Minus 10
4. Contrast - Minus 10
5. Hue - 0 - kept at default.
White balance: Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
Lens: Nikon Nikkon AIS 35mm F/2 - old manual lens - work-horse.
I used Cloudy white balance which was dumb - everything was too warm, but not hard to fix in post at all - just slide in back down to that middle dot thingy.
I shot a lot at 100 ISO because I didn't have any ND - and also up to 400 ISO.
All the shots looked pretty damn good and clean so I could have gone up to like 800.
At first the "auto brightness" was on that changed brightness
I used neatvideo to sharpen up the footage - I love how neat video sharpens footage - looks so good and natural.
My conclusion:
This is basically looking like stuff I can get out of the Red Epic Dragon in terms of image fidelity . I mean, image and color and contrast wise. I use the Red Epic a lot and own 2 Red One MXs that I found in a dumpster - and this camera - the image looks better in some ways - well at least pretty much as good. I need to use charts but highlight handling and saturation feels better at this moment, in my gut.
Of course - the shutter - rolling shutter - it looks pretty bad. Pretty pretty pretty bad. Oh well. Get one of those stabilizer thingies. It looks as bad as the Sony A7S in full frame mode and as bad as the 5 D Mark II. But again, it's $1600. You get what you pay for. Smoke em if you got them. So it's a $1600 camera to my super informal test that feels on par with a $40k-$60k camera. Uh oh.
H.265 right now you have to use Wondershare to convert - they make it for mac and pc. Soon probably all NLE and Resolve and the sort will probably have h.265 as an option.
This camera is amazing. From Samsung - completely out of the blue. If you read Andrew Reid's reports on the sensor and the technology on EOSHD.com you'll see how groundbreaking this little plastic camera is.
 
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Like your style Ed, and like the colours this cam produces, but dr seems really limited. Now if Samsung were to provide a flat profile...
 
Its really not that bad. Off hand id give it 12 to 13 stops of dynamic range. Subjectively. About a stop or same stop as red epic mx. But with a nicer highlight rolloff. Now to shoot some charts.
 
Does the rolling shutter get any better with a image stabilized lens? I had a nx1 for about a week before it was stolen out of my car. I really enjoyed the camera but was concerned with the rolling shutter. I only had a chance to use it with an adapter and nikon lenses. So i'm wondering if it would handle better with the 16-50 S lens hand held? Thanks
 
If you want data rich imagery for post manipulation, H.265 is going to be worse than H.264. Compression is the enemy.
 
If you want data rich imagery for post manipulation, H.265 is going to be worse than H.264. Compression is the enemy.
No it has a smarter algorithm than h.264. Its basically close to a codec like pro res 4444 but 1 percent as efficient. Not like h.264 at all.
 
The epic is not fantastic. It is kind of epic, but not fantastic. The Arri Alexa XT is kind of fantastic but not in the shadows, not a fan of that. Or how it handles tungsten lighting environments. The Red Epic's dynamic range is around 12 stops usuable and has poor highlight rolloff and not good trying to get saturation. The Alexa is much better at handling saturation in a fantastic way. I just wanted to clear that up. :)
 
Uh Oh, footage is just bad, but everyone to his own. Comparing it to more expensive cameras won't make it look better either :)
 
Uh Oh, footage is just bad, but everyone to his own. Comparing it to more expensive cameras won't make it look better either :)

Agreed the footage looks terrible. It's pretty much the worse stuff I've ever seen in my whole life. Whoever shot it should have their license removed and be imprisoned for at least 5-6 years by the DSLR (it stands for something something something Republic)

this footage wasted 2 minutes of my life and I'll never get it back.

I wish whoever shot it was just "disappeared" asap then I can go back to reading reddit and hanging out with my minecraft.
 
Agreed the footage looks terrible. It's pretty much the worse stuff I've ever seen in my whole life. Whoever shot it should have their license removed and be imprisoned for at least 5-6 years by the DSLR (it stands for something something something Republic)

this footage wasted 2 minutes of my life and I'll never get it back.

I wish whoever shot it was just "disappeared" asap then I can go back to reading reddit and hanging out with my minecraft.
I still think that you read like the "my mom bought me a RED so now I'm a DP" guy. Hilarious stuff. :evil:
 
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