Trump Tests Positive for the Coronavirus

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groveChuck

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The president’s result came after he spent months playing down the severity of the outbreak that has killed more than 207,000 in the United States and hours after insisting that “the end of the pandemic is in sight.”

"President Trump said early Friday morning that he and the first lady have tested positive for the coronavirus, throwing the nation’s leadership into uncertainty and escalating the crisis posed by a pandemic that has already killed more than 207,000 Americans and devastated the economy.

The president’s physician said Mr. Trump was “well” without saying whether he was experiencing symptoms and added that the president would stay isolated in the White House for now.

Other aides to the president would not say whether he was experiencing symptoms, but people at the White House noticed that his voice sounded raspy on Thursday, although it was not clear that it was abnormal for him, especially given the number of campaign rallies he has been holding lately.

Mr. Trump received the test result after one of his closest advisers, Hope Hicks, became infected, bringing the virus into his inner circle and underscoring the difficulty of containing it even with the resources of a president. Mr. Trump has for months played down the severity of the virus and told a political dinner just Thursday night that “the end of the pandemic is in sight.” "

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
Pretty crazy, although it also happened to the leaders of the UK and Brazil. Let's hope he recovers quickly. He's in a high risk category for age, but obviously he's got great medical care and I think he's asymptomatic thus far.

I bet he got it from sharing a plane ride with Hope Hicks. She tested positive earlier today, that's why he took the test.
 
groveChuck said:
I guess his 14-day quarantine means I'm not working the Miami debate in 13 days.
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I dunno. I think if he tests negative twice then hes in the clear. He could recover in a week. Or they could connect him to the debate remotely. Strange times we live in.
 
FWIW, Putin hasn't come out of his secret bunker in six months and the figurehead premier Mishustin was out for a couple of months himself.
 
ahalpert said:
I dunno. I think if he tests negative twice then hes in the clear. He could recover in a week. Or they could connect him to the debate remotely. Strange times we live in.
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I have a client who’s protocol’s knock you out of the mix for at least 10 days if you test positive, regardless of re-test results. I find this policy a little unfair and extreme, considering the chance for a false-positive is still ~30%, I believe.

I wonder how this plays out... Will we see a national mask mandate, now, or if he doesn’t “get sick” will he double down that the virus isn’t “that bad”?
 
Run&Gun said:
I wonder how this plays out... Will we see a national mask mandate, now, or if he doesn’t “get sick” will he double down that the virus isn’t “that bad”?
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We are a country of 50 independent states.

No President can mandate a national mask policy.

The Governors can.
 
A coworker of mine caught a cold, he tested negative for covid, but was still required to quarantine for 14 days, due to the potential for a false-negative. I think that policy is overly cautious, but businesses have the right to implement any safety practices they deem prudent.
 
Imamacuser said:
A coworker of mine caught a cold, he tested negative for covid, but was still required to quarantine for 14 days, due to the potential for a false-negative. I think that policy is overly cautious, but businesses have the right to implement any safety practices they deem prudent.
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why can't they just test him twice?!?! or three times? my goodness
 
mcgeedigital said:
We are a country of 50 independent states.

No President can mandate a national mask policy.

The Governors can.
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Hunh. Seems like you're right. But the feds could use funding to incentivize states to do a mandate, as with driving laws or what they were talking about recently with school openings:

t is not clear whether the CDC has the authority to mandate face coverings nationwide. The Public Health Service Act grants the CDC powers to detain and medically examine potentially infected persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states, but this authority is unlikely to extend to regulatory actions such as requiring masks. Congress probably could enact a national mandate under the commerce power but has not done so. A federal mandate, moreover, might provoke political opposition to face coverings rooted in state sovereignty.

A better way to gain more national uniformity is by inducing states to enact mask laws. This respects states as key decision makers in public health and is more consistent with state autonomy. It is also easier to gain compliance with state and local directives rather than using federal officers to monitor and enforce a national mandate.

A well-crafted use of federal spending powers would likely be constitutional. Congress could attach conditions on the receipt of federal funds, inducing states to adopt a mandate. Intoxicated driver laws offer an analogy. The Supreme Court upheld a federal law conditioning 5% of highway funds on states adopting a 21-year-old drinking age.8 The court probably would similarly uphold a federal law designating a reasonable portion of COVID-19 emergency funding on the condition that states issue mask directives. It is possible, however, that some states would reject a mask mandate, thus doubly jeopardizing their residents’ health—no funding and no mask mandate.
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769440
 
ahalpert said:
isn't that just his new track suit? he's very fashionable
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There's a hospital in Moscow that was set aside for the Covid patients. Putin went there once for a photo op with its chief .... but then that chief was diagnosed with Covid himself. So, Vlad went into hiding and has been conducting business from a TV room.

Well, except when he gave out the poison orders. That wasn't televised.
 
mcgeedigital said:
We are a country of 50 independent states.
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What you are describing sounds much more like the United Nations than the United States. Our states are not independent of each other and the citizens and governments of those states certainly subject to federal laws and the constitution.

Having said that, I agree with you that, contrary to what the current holder of the office says, the president's power is not "total." Our presidents are not kings who can force us to wear masks or forbid state governments from requiring them because it suits her or her fancy. Any president who wants to require or forbid masks will have to do so within the framework of the Constitution and federal law.

While it is open question as to whether or not the president can make masks mandatory, there are many tools available to the executive branch and congress that could be used to force state compliance. Congress could pass a law that withholds a substantial portion of federal aid from states the refuse to implement mask mandates. This is the strategy that successfully used to raise the drinking age in the US.

The executive branch has broad emergency public health powers as it relates to interstate commerce that could used to impose painful restrictions on travel and commerce from states that don't abide with federal guidelines. Fortunately that law allow for exemptions for religious reasons but even in those cases the federal government can "substantially burden a person's exercise of religion" if it demonstrates that the "application of the burden to the person" "is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest."

This doesn't have to be and should not be a partisan issue, but there should be a vigorous public debate about what the federal and state governments are allowed to do. Hopefully the courts will be there to adjudicate matters in an apolitical manner that properly balances individual liberties and the obligation of the government to protect the populace.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/la...olution-saying-presidents-authority-not-total

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10530

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...MGJiIGVkaXRpb246cHJlbGltKQ==|||0|false|prelim
 
DLD said:
There's a hospital in Moscow that was set aside for the Covid patients. Putin went there once for a photo op with its chief .... but then that chief was diagnosed with Covid himself. So, Vlad went into hiding and has been conducting business from a TV room.

Well, except when he gave out the poison orders. That wasn't televised.
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And he promises the TV room is above ground and not in a bunker!
 
Gary T said:
While it is open question as to whether or not the president can make masks mandatory, there are many tools available to the executive branch and congress that could be used to force state compliance. Congress could pass a law that withholds a substantial portion of federal aid from states the refuse to implement mask mandates. This is the strategy that successfully used to raise the drinking age in the US.
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I think that such practices are outside of the spirit of the 10th amendment, you might like the results now, but I think it sets a bad precedent for a tactic that can easily be used in a bad way. We should try to be cognizant of unintended consequences of the government's response to the virus.

My state's governor hasn't issued a mask mandate, however, a number of mayors have issued city wide mask mandates, but my attorney friends tell me that such edicts exceed a mayor's authority.
 
mcgeedigital said:
We are a country of 50 independent states.

No President can mandate a national mask policy.

The Governors can.
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My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek. I was just alluding to "I wonder if" we will see a change in position or heart towards wearing masks since he has been essentially anti-mask(at least publicly), now that he has contracted CV.
 
Gary T said:
I think you might be referring to this excursion. At least you can't say he is taking chances with his personal health.
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... and I heard on the radio today if he is having a one on one meeting with military or political leaders they have to go through 14 days quarantine. Apparently he has also cleared his agenda of any meetings with foreign heads of state and dignitaries until at least late this year or early next year. Zoom is the order of the day!

Just found this little story. Not at all like Donald!
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-a...-rigorously-protects-himself-covid-19-b3xltx/

Chris Young

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