True cost of Ki Pro Mini

Greetings... so I had the AG-AF100 in Central Park over the weekend... I've got to say I"m extremely impressed by on board recording... So now I'm wondering... is this AJA Mini really going to be worth the 4K to get it operational? Maybe a nice light kit, monitor and some other items for better acquisition in the field.... I'm just saying...
 
Is there anywhere you could rent one (or similar)? From what alot of people have said, because it is 8bit, the difference isn't that huge... I imagine you would see the best results with fast moving video with lots of motion.
 
I've got to say I"m extremely impressed by on board recording... So now I'm wondering... is this AJA Mini really going to be worth the 4K to get it operational? Maybe a nice light kit, monitor and some other items for better acquisition in the field.... I'm just saying...
Well, see, that's what I've been saying. Try it first -- you may find that you're plenty satisfied with the onboard recording, and would therefore find other places where that money can be spent that would have a more significant impact on your end results.

Not everyone may agree. The BBC, for example, demands 4:2:2, so the AF100 by itself isn't approved, but according to creativevideo.co.uk, if you use the NanoFlash at 50mbps or more (which means 4:2:2 recording) it is approved. So if you're shooting for the BBC, an external recorder is required and therefore worth the money. But unless you have a circumstance like that, I think that most folks who were previously thinking they'd need to spend for an external recorder, are instead going to be quite happy with what the onboard provides and can then reallocate those funds towards other stuff.
 
NanoFlash is $2800. 4 32gb cards about $650.
A few cables and battery with charger about $225.
The nano is smaller, multiple record codecs and much less power consumption.
Just my two cents.
 
NanoFlash is $2800. 4 32gb cards about $650.
A few cables and battery with charger about $225.
The nano is smaller, multiple record codecs and much less power consumption.
Just my two cents.
The Nano is really quite excellent, but I do have to make a clarification on what you said -- you said "multiple record codecs" and that's not quite accurate, the only codec it offers is MPEG-2. It does offer multiple file formats (.MXF or .MOV), and it offers multiple varieties of MPEG-2 (you can choose the bitrate and whether it's long-GoP or intraframe) but it's all still MPEG-2.

If it were truly multiple codecs, then it would offer maybe MPEG-2 and Cineform, but it's a single-codec recorder. And so is the Ki Pro and the Ninja and the HMR10, they're all single-codec. The HPG20 is an example of a multiple-codec recorder, as it offers AVC-Intra, DVCPRO-HD, DVCPRO50, and DV.
 
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The Nano is really quite excellent, but I do have to make a clarification on what you said -- you said "multiple record codecs" and that's not quite accurate, the only codec it offers is MPEG-2. It does offer multiple file formats (.MXF or .MOV), and it offers multiple varieties of MPEG-2 (you can choose the bitrate and whether it's long-GoP or intraframe) but it's all still MPEG-2.

If it were truly multiple codecs, then it would offer maybe MPEG-2 and Cineform, but it's a single-codec recorder. And so is the Ki Pro and the Ninja and the HMR10, they're all single-codec. The HPG20 is an example of a multiple-codec recorder, as it offers AVC-Intra, DVCPRO-HD, DVCPRO50, and DV.

You are correct Barry, sorry for the misinformation. you ought to see my megabytes vs. megabits typos!!!!
 
Well, see, that's what I've been saying. Try it first -- you may find that you're plenty satisfied with the onboard recording, and would therefore find other places where that money can be spent that would have a more significant impact on your end results.

Not everyone may agree. The BBC, for example, demands 4:2:2, so the AF100 by itself isn't approved, but according to creativevideo.co.uk, if you use the NanoFlash at 50mbps or more (which means 4:2:2 recording) it is approved. So if you're shooting for the BBC, an external recorder is required and therefore worth the money. But unless you have a circumstance like that, I think that most folks who were previously thinking they'd need to spend for an external recorder, are instead going to be quite happy with what the onboard provides and can then reallocate those funds towards other stuff.
Just to confirm Barry's info on the BBC, a colleague did a shoot for the BBC a couple of weeks ago. Their initial request was for a Sony 650 or the like but nothing less than 4.2.2, however the BBC like many public broadcasters has faced significant budget cuts and what they were willing to pay for the shoot was way below what would be a considerable rate for the camera and op for the day. They insisted on 4.2.2 and finally agreed to an EX3 and NanoFlash as a compromise. Perhaps their Engineering department needs to have a chat with their Programming department.
On the Ninja front, I got a call yesterday from San Francisco telling me that the Ninja would be available from my local dealer. They neglected to say who that was up here in Canada so I called back and was put on hold then told "buddy" would cll me back and answer my question. This was followed by two emails telling me the same thing and asking me to contact a rep compmpany via email. Anybody have any info on this? I wrote and told them I would be reluctant to buy anything that had yet to be reviewed or tested.
 
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Just buy one of these ........ http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webap...roupId=34401&surfModel=AG-HPX370&displayTab=O
$7k with a rebate ? I believe and yes you gotta get some expensive 64Gig P2 cards. Or wait for the new HPx250, $6k

I'm trying to figure out the codec thing too, all very confusing.

My understanding is that if your going to be shooting run and gun, challenging conditions, war zones, weddings :) where you have little control of the scene, lots of movement, panning etc then you'll break down the Avchd codec pretty easily. This is where a better codec comes in, quite logical really that a higher the bit rate of the same or similar codec the more bits of info it can handle and the less blockyness and mush you'll get. I always wondered how some TV shows look so good, everything looks smooth and no horrible blockiness etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of it has to do with the codec they use (sure they have racks of high end hardware H.264 encoders that cost thousands of dollars too)

When the shite's going down do you want to be fannying about with a nano flash or loading drives in your blackmagic cine deck?? Me thinks not. I've always thought P2 was the biggest rip off known to mankind but if you do some research on the AVC intra codecs and all the other guff you have to add to your camera to get the same "magic" 422 100mbps codec they perhaps don't seem that bad. But there is something to be said for good old 32Gb SD card that cost $70 and you can shoot on for 1.5 hours or more in 1080p!

My 2c
 
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