Too many settings - I am confused! :-)

ingvarai

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I like my HMC 151 a lot, but so far, after 4 months of use, it is seems to still be like a lottery to what extent my footages are great, mediocre or a disaster.
Sometimes, I sit back in awe, with a real jawdrop, because the exposure is perfect, the detail incredible, razor-blade sharp images. Then I make my nest recording, the image is dull, colors smeared out, the picture is grainy and too light or too dark.
What I never can get anywhere great, not even good, is nature scenery shot at inifinte distance.

I never use the automatic mode. I carefully adjust focus, and I think I am able to set the exposure relatively correct, although here I am unsure. I did one mistake, I set the Gain to +12.
When it comes to the scene files, I have almost no idea what to use, apart from the DRS that I successfully have used sometimes.

What I would like is is an in-depth coverage of the this topic, how to make the best recordings using the right HMC settings under various conditions. Yes, I can experiment, and find out myself, but I often am in a hurry, and some scens cannot be shot twice, for obvious reasons.

Like this:
- Out in the nature, bright sun, deep shadows, super-bright shiny waterfall.
- Out in the nature, cloudy, waterfall.
- People in the sun, face against the sun
- People in the sun, face away from the sun
- People on a sunny day, but in the shadow
- Things moving fast
- Things moving slow
- Late in the afternoon
- Indoor
And so on.
I like to make both movies (epic content) and documentaries

The supplied user manual does not help much. Any links to advice on this or any advice is much appreciated! Is someone blogging about this? A knowledge center for the accumulated experiences on the HMC settings would be great!
ingvarai
 
Everybody is in a hury !
Setting the gain to + 12 is a major no no .

Unless you're shooting lowlight or for ENG ( news).
Get the book by BG I should to , but ifI were you I would test out different scene file settings on the same objects/subjects just to see how the camera behaves .
And go through the gallery of the HVX 200 and and HPX 170 to learn more about what users did to get such nice images .
 
Most of the situations you talk about require actually being there to adjust to. There is no magic settings that are going to make or break your shots.

Easy answer: Best thing is make it look as good as possible in the LCD (if sunny get a sunshade), check your wave form levels, use zebras and possibly use an external monitor.

Yep yep... Barry's book is a must have...

Soon as you get it, spend a day or 2 and read it cover to cover. Then refer back to the places you have questions.
 
Yep yep... Barry's book is a must have...

Soon as you get it, spend a day or 2 and read it cover to cover. Then refer back to the places you have questions.

I have it, and am not impressed. I spent 2 hours reading it from cover to cover and while I certainly learnt something new, I sit back with a lot of unanswered questions. Some statements in the book are obviously wrong, some rather dated, and some of the material totally superfluous. Looks to me the book is written in a hurry, using an older book as a template.
I am almost where I was before I purchased this book.

ingvarai
 
Can you give any examples of what information you think is wrong or superfluous as I like many others here found the book a tremendous help?

It may also be useful for us to know what camera you are coming from.

Ken
 
Can you give any examples of what information you think is wrong or superfluous as I like many others here found the book a tremendous help?
It may also be useful for us to know what camera you are coming from.
Ken

Hi Ken,
I do not have the book here where I am writing this, right now, so this is of the top of my head. It is almost midnight here, so this reply will be short, I can come back with more another day.

It is superfluous to use several pages to talk about the advantages of memory card storage versus tape. The dilemma is dated, tape is dead. Now we have 2009, not 2006. Besides of this, I do already have the camera, no need to convince me.

Then, the book seems to be unaware of the excellent Sony Vegas NLE. Here you can put AVCHD clips right on the time line and edit right away. The book also says that intermediate formats (where AVCHD is too slow for editing) become huge. Well, if you use AVI, Cineform and several other formats, yes. But in Sony Vegas you can render to MXF and use these instead of AVCHD. MXF files become only slightly larger than the original AVCHD files, they play back in real time in the NLE, also when adding effects and transitions. As far as I have seen, no degradation even after several generations.

I found no information on how and why and when to use various shutter speeds. There is a lot about vectorscope with accompanying images of some hardware - except information on how to understand and judge the camera's own vectorscope information. Maybe I must read this chapter again..

The author does not cover much the decisions one must make when choosing recording format. I cannot understand that using the same format throughout the whole project can be a good advice. Instead, when I as an amateur use this camera, I consider what kind of post work I have to carry out, before I shoot. When I need to stabilize the video, using SynthEyes (my favorite), I shoot in 720 50P and at least shutter 1/120, maybe faster. When stabilizing and thereby cropping, the images still are acceptable sharp and detailed. Using 50i and the default shutter, smears the details out when stabilizing. I miss very much the book discussing these topics.

I am also plagued by "banding", some strange effects when panning and using a fast shutter speed, I so far found no info on this whether warnings nor advices.

So - this is thew short version, I can come back with more and also upload videos to illustrate what I mean withj "banding" if desired.

All in all - my HMC 151 is a great camera, with a LOT of knobs and switches. This book helped me a few steps further, but is not the advanced advice resource I had hoped it would be. I need to experiment and find out myself, and/or use the expertise in this user forum.

I am willing to reconsider my opinion if I have overlooked or misunderstood.

ingvarai
 
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