Tokina 11-16mm

I think I may have been too harsh in my last post. My apologies, I'm not normally so narrowminded. There have been plenty of times in the past where I would have used a "wide angle adapter" especially when I was using camcorders to capture digital video. With these DSLRs and some with a crop factor, it becomes very difficult to talk about lenses. When I took up photography, all I needed was a Nikon FM2 and a Nikkor 50mm f1.2. to tell a story. I tried out a 35mm too and liked that but I didn't really get into lenses until I bought a 7D for VFX work.

All I've read and all I've learned tells me to shoot with prime lenses now and I stay away from the zooms now. It's more challenging shooting with primes but the image quality I get, combined with the wide aperture creates some great imagery for me. The Tokina sat in the bag on the set the last time I shot. I rented some primes, a 22mm, a 24mm, a 30mm, a 35mm and I had my 50mm. We were in a small highrise office and I never needed anything wider that the 22mm or anything longer than the 50mm. That's how it was boarded, so it was easy to shoot.

I stopped buying lenses. The ones I want are awfully expensive. Good news is that I can rent them. My Tokina is part of a collection that never got started but I am happy with my purchase, the fact that it's EF-S and all that.
 
Not comparing, all I said is that it was really not necessary. With the kit lens you can get some nice wide shots just have to frame it different. Personally I think the tokina 11-16mm is a great lens, but My comment was more so that I would not spend $700 for it (I think it's $500 range). For that kind of money I would use other lenses. My ideal setup would be using a Canon 5d and a nice Canon 24mm II lens, which IMO is worth it's price. No fighting or arguing on my side just an opinion :)
 
vision_filmz said:
Says the person with "nothing" as a a user name. What kind of spamming troll post was that? Grow up man and bring something useful to these forums
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Pointing out your inexperience with this subject is VERY useful. Heaven forbid someone should take your advice. I've read many of your posts here and it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about, so I felt the responsibility to share that knowledge with others. Please know what you are talking about before speaking authoritatively on a subject.

Learn what spam is before accusing. I'm sorry if my post came across as trollish, but it was certainly not spam. Be careful who you pick fights with here, I've already seen you alienate several members in the month you've been posting. I've been considering posting more here to share my decades of professional filmmaking experience, but members like you are making me reconsider.
 
Cool it folks. Some people like wide angle adapters. Some dont. Panavision made wide angel adapters of excellent quality. I have one sitting here next to me.

No need for arguing. Just be polite is all we ask.
 
WhiteMonkey said:
All I've read and all I've learned tells me to shoot with prime lenses now and I stay away from the zooms now. It's more challenging shooting with primes but the image quality I get, combined with the wide aperture creates some great imagery for me.
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You're obviously shooting scripted stuff! For Doco/event/run-n-gun work zooms are pretty much a necessity, so it all comes down to what you are shooting. As long as you are getting good quality zooms with constant apertures (preferably f/2.8) then you'll still get excellent quality. Sure, it'd be nice to stop down to f/1.8 at dark receptions, but thats where I switch to my primes!
 
TimurCivan said:
Cool it folks. Some people like wide angle adapters. Some dont. Panavision made wide angel adapters of excellent quality. I have one sitting here next to me.

No need for arguing. Just be polite is all we ask.
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Exactly. Now I was moderated for going against the guide lines and honestly have no idea. The User 'Nothing' imo brought "nothing" to this discussion. We have been using wide angle converters on our cameras for years, I mean years. So for someone to say I have no idea what I'm talking about really crossed a line that was not needed. The tokina 11-16mm is an excellent lens I only mentioned my opinion. Now this user states I have no idea what I'm talking about and that they will no longer post? Feel like Im in elementary or something. Way to kill a thread/topic

Goodbye
 
Curious how my thread turned into adapter-combat.

I gave up on the 11-16 for the moment, I found a mint Canon 10-22 for considerably less money that I will test and if it doesn't make the cut I will flog it when Tokina's show up at B&H.

The only interior I would ever need an 11-16 for (on APS-C) would be aircraft cockpits, 185s and 206s are pretty tight, but I wouldn't need F2.8 there anyways. The Canon has a little more range than the 12-24 Tokina on the wide end and way better resale value.
 
vision_filmz said:
I... honestly have no idea. The User 'Nothing' imo brought "nothing" to this discussion.

Goodbye
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I'm curious vision_filmz, what is your exact experience with the Tokina 11-16mm? I have used both the Tokina version and the rehoused Duclos PL mount version, and both are incredible bargains - even at the $3500 price point of the Duclos. It compares favorably with PL mount lenses costing many many thousands of dollars more.

Exactly which wide converters have you put on a kit lens? You had no problems with uneven vignetting and focal plane distortion due to the weight of the converter causing the plastic kit lens' loose front element to flop around? What about flare issues? The chromatic aberrations didn't bother you? What was the stop loss with the converter you used?

I've used converter lenses when appropriate, that's how I know the limitations. They certainly have their place - but on a slow plastic kit lens, you are asking for a world of trouble. And to suggest that such a combo is anywhere near the same league as the Tokina 11-16mm is pure hogwash.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I merely want to know what experience you base your opinion on. Get used to it, having to back up your opinion is a common everyday occurrence in the real world - where I make a very good living working with cameras and lenses.
 
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OK lets start about wide angle adapters,which one would work great with 50mm without losing much light and with sharp corners ? That could give field of view closer to super35mm on aps-c.
Panavision one is only for renting i guess.
 
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