TimeLapse First for this newbe :)

hvx_germanboy said:
good question, i think theres different answers, but the main one to me would be, that progressive just doesnt hold up in some situations, due to "natural" limitations: i shot a documentary in interlaced (not with the hvx, in my former life!) and deinterlaced afterwards: but some parts had such a speedy movement, that i had to leave this certain parts interlaced, so i ended up with a 60 minute documentary that was deinterlaced, but had two shots still being interlaced-crazy-isnt it?!?
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I guess if you were showing on an interlaced display that might hold true. I am working on a show next week that is basically a re-do of a show that was shot on BetaSP 4:3 interlaced. The college is setting up a theatre with like a 10 foot projection display and on each side they will have 2 - Pioneer Elite 61" PureVision™ Plasma Monitors for a total of 4. And they had planned to use the interlaced 4:3 version but it looked horrible on all the displays. We showed them HVX progressive footage from an SD DVD only and they were convinced to re-shoot the show when they saw that. Plans are to have some flavor of HD playback and edit 5 different versions that they will all play together.....I get to shoot and edit and will leave the programming to their guru, should be interesting.
 
Hmm all good information. Enough to chew on for some time. sounds like TV Networks will not move anytime soon to progressive, but will accept it, unlessthey demande interlaced.

So if you use the De-interlace Filter in FCP then you dont have progressive or interlaced you have De-Interlaced? If it takes out the interlacing, would that not make it progressive?

excuse my ignorance
 
Mack Fisher said:
I agree, 60i can capture motion better than 30p and 24p. Besides I just love the serene look of 60i.
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I love the film look of 24p. You cannot say that 60i looks better on a progressive HD set?
 
SurJones said:
Hmm all good information. Enough to chew on for some time. sounds like TV Networks will not move anytime soon to progressive, but will accept it, unlessthey demande interlaced.

So if you use the De-interlace Filter in FCP then you dont have progressive or interlaced you have De-Interlaced? If it takes out the interlacing, would that not make it progressive?

excuse my ignorance
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All "films" are progressive, shot on film or progressive video. De-interlaced is progressive, you just lose vertical resolution. I was talking to an extreme sports shooter about the HVX. He still shoots 16MM and is not convinced about video because he bought the Z1 when it came out, he hated it. He told me of a shoot where he spent all weekend taping skiers with the Z1 and was horrified at the look of 60i. He was comparing it to his progressive 16MM filming experience. With 16MM Arri SR he would shoot slo-mo at 48fps - 120fps. He is looking at the HVX as a second camera to record interviews and off the slope stuff. He saw that Redrock footage and is now more intrigued with the HVX. But he will probably continue shooting the actual extreme sports clips with film.
 
HVXguy said:
I love the film look of 24p. You cannot say that 60i looks better on a progressive HD set?
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Im sorry but I will support 24p. Im not gonna bash somone for using it its all about who is shooting it. But seriously your cutting your frame rate considerably to make it look like film, I just dont see a point. I just love the crystal clear and smooth look of 60i on anything. But I dont want to start another 60i vs 24p debate.
 
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Mack Fisher said:
Im sorry but I will never shoot 24p or support it. Im not gonna bash somone for using it its all about who is shooting it. But seriously your cutting your frame rate considerably to make it look like film, I just dont see a point. I just love the crystal clear and smooth look of 60i on anything. But I dont want to start another 60i vs 24p debate.
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I understand, but I would almost bet 99% of all the HVX footage you see here is 24p not 60i, sure if you have an older HDCAM it only shoots 60i, the Z1 only shoots 60i, all I can say from my experience is that clients want the look and feel of film at a video price. Once they see 720 24p vs. 60i it is a no debate. I shot film for years at 30p so it would match up better with the fact we were going to 29.97 tape. The fact that I can now shoot 24p and deliver a 24p DVD, soon to be HD-DVD just gives you a more filmic look than can be achived with 60i. I always see footage that clients want to de-interlace and make film like, I have yet to here a request to re-interlace (if there is such a thing) and make the 24p footage look more video like.......
 
Thats great you enjoy 24p, and your clients love you for it. There is still a demand for 60i because well Im still selling footage along with many other 60i users out there. 24p caught on, you got me! People love it. I just dont see a point to it aside from "the look" of film. I'm not shunning all progressive because when 60i inevitably falls short to 60p I will gladly grab a 1080/60p camera and continue on. In my opinion 24p has nothing to offer aside from a look. If I was shooting a commercial sure as hell I would rent an SDX or if I could get my hands on a CineAlta I would use it because your right people are biased and take a 24p video more seriously than a 60i. But I shoot nature all day every day I can and 60i is very much accepted just as much as 24p in my neck of the woods so I see no need to cut my range of motion in half just for the look.
 
okay, so I am heading out in a couple mins to start shooting ALL OVER AGAIN.

What do you think about my shutter speed? Frame Rate? Composition?
 
Mack, thats cool, lets make a deal....
I will send all the people looking for 60i nature footage to your site.
You can send all the people looking for 24p footage to my site??
I have not shot 60i in four years. I gave that up with my Betacam.
 
SurJones said:
okay, so I am heading out in a couple mins to start shooting ALL OVER AGAIN.

What do you think about my shutter speed? Frame Rate? Composition?
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I would recomend the lowest shutterspeed possible to minimize as much jitters as you can.
 
Mack Fisher said:
I would recomend the lowest shutterspeed possible to minimize as much jitters as you can.
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When you lowest you mean 1/250 or 1/500? Or 1/30th?

Some timelapse benefits from lower shutterspeeds like 1/30, thats all you do at 1080p anyway. You know Barry has shown the frame rate hack where in 720 you can shoot at 2fps and lower the shutterspeed to 1/2 sec I think.
That would give your cars lights streaks and trails.
 
HVXguy said:
When you lowest you mean 1/250 or 1/500? Or 1/30th?

Some timelapse benefits from lower shutterspeeds like 1/30, thats all you do at 1080p anyway. You know Barry has shown the frame rate hack where in 720 you can shoot at 2fps and lower the shutterspeed to 1/2 sec I think.
That would give your cars lights streaks and trails.
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When I say lower I mean 1/30-1/4. Minimize the shakes. 1/2 with 2fps would look perfect for nightime stuff. If you mess with your pedistal you can probably capture the stars.
 
So for a 12pm-3pm shoot what shoot would be a kewl shutter. Like I said before I am off to go out and shoot right now, a storm might be coming in soon. So I need to good before storm, and will be able to get some Storm shots. What is going to be my shutter. Leave the bickering out to another thread. Help me then you can do whatever you want :)
 
It all depends on your lighting. Its hard to just give a shutter speed. When I shoot timelapse I always try to the have the lowest shutterspeed the closet to 1/4th I can get to minimize any shake and give a smoother timelapse.
 
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