C200: Thoughts on internal 10bit - LG V30 Smart Phone

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dave12781

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I noticed this article over on Cinema5D, and thought I'd post it since there is a lot of talk about the C200 'NOT' having an internal 10-bit codec - which is a little silly because it does since the raw is internal.

So LG has a new Smart Phone hitting the market with internal 10-bit 4k...

https://www.cinema5d.com/lgs-v30-smartphone-10-bit-color-lg-cine-log-video-in-a-phone/

Sure, it may only be 54mbps (not 400mbps like in the EVA-1) but would this feature make you ditch your C200 and start filming on your phone?

It's only a matter of time before the EVA-1's internal bitrate is matched by a phone. I'd give it 2-3 years.
 
Also the LG uses H.265 which compresses much better than H.264.

(Very) roughly speaking:

54Mbps H.265 ~ 100Mbs H.264 ~ 200Mbps All-Intra (H.264, ProRes, DnxHx etc).

Not bad for a phone!
 
dave12781 said:
Sure, it may only be 54mbps (not 400mbps like in the EVA-1) but would this feature make you ditch your C200 and start filming on your phone?
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Raw. Autofocus. Low light. These are reasons for my interest in a C200. Ditch a C200? Not likely. But if I had 10 bit 4k I might shoot more on my phone. I already shoot RAW stills on my phone as much as possible. I do more 4k with my phone since I got a DJI Osmo. Any advances in phone technology that I have does eat in to my DSLR and RAW 4k video shooting some. But ditch? Un uh.
 
I have no interest in trying to shoot professionally with a mobile phone. Unless there is no other way to capture a shot?
 
Im not worried at all about cellphones if your used to operating RAW and high end camera's... just the fact that depth of field cant be fully controlled and the small sensor makes it light hungry. I don't see those points being handled anytime soon. Add to that the audio problems, 10stops sensors, lack of log formats and the memory aspect(yes some cell take SD cards - but taking one out and in is slow and a pain in the ass - cant see that being useful on a set). It will have its uses, but if you have a canon eos camera - i wouldnt be worried.
 
FrancisT said:
Im not worried at all about cellphones if your used to operating RAW and high end camera's... just the fact that depth of field cant be fully controlled and the small sensor makes it light hungry. I don't see those points being handled anytime soon. Add to that the audio problems, 10stops sensors, lack of log formats and the memory aspect(yes some cell take SD cards - but taking one out and in is slow and a pain in the ass - cant see that being useful on a set). It will have its uses, but if you have a canon eos camera - i wouldnt be worried.
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This new cell phone has it's own LOG format, consumer memory is always getting faster, and (as apple showed in the iPhone 7) depth of field can be simulated. Lens adapters could be used instead of lenses as they already are, and 2nd systems for audio have been being used since the dawn of sync sound. Filmic Pro just added a feature for a timecode track for the iPhone...

If you look at their rate of progress from 2007-Present, they've outpaced the innovations of the entire camera industry... and they have every reason to push for more and more innovation as a selling point for future phones. Whereas, the camera industry always holds back a little bit with every camera...

Scared of the future?
 
My phone shoots in 4K. My C100 shoots in 1080p. So my phone is a superior camera?

Let me write that down.
 
Being scared implied not being able to adapt and getting beaten. If at some point cellphone can shoot 4k RAW with multilayers (see lytro cinema camera) - then i(and we the dvx people) will work our asses off to be the best at handling that camera, lighting and story telling. If you stay ahead of the curve, you will make a living no matter what happens.
 
FrancisT said:
Being scared implied not being able to adapt and getting beaten. If at some point cellphone can shoot 4k RAW with multilayers (see lytro cinema camera) - then i(and we the dvx people) will work our asses off to be the best at handling that camera, lighting and story telling. If you stay ahead of the curve, you will make a living no matter what happens.
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I’m seriously just joking about a fear of the future. But it sure is interesting - 10bit as a consumer marketing tool. Most consumers don’t have a 10bit display and have no idea what it even means.

I am kind of surprised, though, that there isn’t a professional level cell-phone-esk form factor camera out there. I’m sure it’s on the horizon. Reducing the weight of the equipment I carry wouldn’t bother me at all - as long as the quality went up. Although, can it get much more noticeably better? Does it need to?
 
dave12781 said:
I’m seriously just joking about a fear of the future. But it sure is interesting - 10bit as a consumer marketing tool. Most consumers don’t have a 10bit display and have no idea what it even means.

I am kind of surprised, though, that there isn’t a professional level cell-phone-esk form factor camera out there. I’m sure it’s on the horizon. Reducing the weight of the equipment I carry wouldn’t bother me at all - as long as the quality went up. Although, can it get much more noticeably better? Does it need to?
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I completely agree with the cellphone thing - i assume the red hydrogen is going to be that but that remains to be seen.
There are two factors that are keeping cameras on the larger size which i dont see being handled in easily the next 10 years
A)battery
B)Heat management

In order to get a reliable camera that can shoot during hot summer days for hours - heat dissipation needs to be perform at a high rate, which tends to take up space.
The other factor is battery - unless cellphone get replacable batteries (which i dont see anytime soon), we will be stuck with V mounts for while.
 
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