GH1 Thinking of selling my gh13 & gf13 and buying a 5dmk2, thoughts from users with both?

terra1

terra1

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Thinking of selling my gh13 & gf13 and buying a 5dmk2, thoughts from users with both?

Hey guys :smile:

first i have to say i love the GH13! & the little GF13!
...but i've recently been thinking about selling up all my M4/3 kit and going Full Frame.


like many i love fast, wide lenses yet with the doubling effect on the M4/3 sensor i just cant get things wide enough... & also keep things fast!


i'd not fully realised the difference between M4/3 sensor & FF sensor as far as FOV & F-Stop goes!

GH1 + 25mm f1.4
5D2 + 50mm f2.8

to my understanding the above 2 setups would roughly give the same FOV & DOF.
(if i'm wrong please somebody correct me, id not like to spread misinformation)


i wanted to see if any of you guys who may have used/own both cameras could lend some words of wisdom before i could make a mistake :smile:
 
Rent/Borrow a 5D for a week. Thats the only way to get a clear picture of the investment you are about to make.
The 5D is pretty amazing, but also is the GH13...
The Shallow DOP is much easier to do with the 5D, and the low light is a "little" better... of course with the GH13 and some of these new patches the image quality is constantly moving over the competition.
It really comes down to what your shooting and how your shooting.

On a side note: as a GH2 owner, I need a Panny 20mm! I call dibs :P
 
Any modern camera is capable of making great pictures.
If you feel you must have fast wide lenses to tell your stories then do so, or move the camera back.
But I will say, that if an 11-16 f2.8 on a M4/3 is not wide and fast enough for you, I wonder what you are shooting.

Good luck!
 
terra1 said:
i'd not fully realised the difference between M4/3 sensor & FF sensor as far as FOV & F-Stop goes!

GH1 + 25mm f1.4
5D2 + 50mm f2.8

to my understanding the above 2 setups would roughly give the same FOV & DOF.
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Yes, both camera+lens combos will produce similar FOV and DOF on their respective video frames. In this case, however, the Canon 5DMkII is limited to scenes that are bright enough to shoot at f2.8. If the scene is dark enough to require a wider aperture, opening up the lens iris would produce too narrow a depth of field.

With the Panasonic GH1, you can shoot the scene with your aperture at f1.4, requiring only a quarter as much illumination as the 5DMkII would need. In cases where that would produce overexposure, you could use an ND filter or raise the shutter speed. In practice, it's always easier to work with too much light than with too little.
 
daihard said:
Rent/Borrow a 5D for a week. Thats the only way to get a clear picture of the investment you are about to make.
The 5D is pretty amazing, but also is the GH13...
The Shallow DOP is much easier to do with the 5D, and the low light is a "little" better... of course with the GH13 and some of these new patches the image quality is constantly moving over the competition.
It really comes down to what your shooting and how your shooting.

On a side note: as a GH2 owner, I need a Panny 20mm! I call dibs :P
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yeah i think thats a good idea, i know a guy who has one yet i can only play with it when he is around :smile:
my bro already has dibs on the pancake! lol


David W. Jones said:
Any modern camera is capable of making great pictures.
If you feel you must have fast wide lenses to tell your stories then do so, or move the camera back.
But I will say, that if an 11-16 f2.8 on a M4/3 is not wide and fast enough for you, I wonder what you are shooting.

Good luck!
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i shoot a lot of tight indoor shots, corridors, small rooms, little lighting, my 14mm pancake with wide adapter is nearly wide enough, i didn't want to splash out on any new lenses until i knew where i was heading, staying GH or to the Dark Side! :smile:
i thought it could have been the grass is always greener syndrome but i really do like the look & feel of the 5D footage.


lpowell said:
Yes, both camera+lens combos will produce similar FOV and DOF on their respective video frames. In this case, however, the Canon 5DMkII is limited to scenes that are bright enough to shoot at f2.8. If the scene is dark enough to require a wider aperture, opening up the lens iris would produce too narrow a depth of field.

With the Panasonic GH1, you can shoot the scene with your aperture at f1.4, requiring only a quarter as much illumination as the 5DMkII would need. In cases where that would produce overexposure, you could use an ND filter or raise the shutter speed. In practice, it's always easier to work with too much light than with too little.
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i dont actually have the 25mm f1.4, was looking at it a while back until i had these worrying Canon feelings :smile:
also i've come to rather like stills photography, that was another one of the reasons.


its defo going to play on my mind, yet il not rush into anything, still a lot of homework to do! had a peep into the 5D2 section of dvxuser.com... so little people & info if looks depressing!
 
For stills go with the 5D.

For video the GH's have articulated screens, auto focus, better resolution, greater lens choice.


I have both, but for video my choice is GH2.


Cheers


Martin
 
Well, you also need to consider if there will be a new 5D coming out. Also Nikon has been adding some upgraded cams to their lineup, nothing too impressive yet! Buuutttt... there was talk of a D700s, and my wife's D700 is freak'in amazing! for full frame stills. Maybe Nikon will improve the video options (i.e. frame rates and full manuel control during filming).
Who knows these days!? Probably just get what you need now, shoot and be happy.
 
Sometimes the DOF with the Canon 5D is too shallow. So when you want to shoot an indoor night shot that requires 25mm f/4.0 with the GH cameras, you would have to shoot with a 50mm f/8.0 with the Canon 5D, which can mean a lot of light or a grainy image. The few times I've used the Canon 5D, I found the DOF very "thin" for my taste, so I end up stopping down and wondering why I'm not shooting this with a 7D or a GH-2.
 
thanks for your thoughts and suggestions guys, its just niggling at the back of my mind a little, i guess it could be classed as eyeing up another mans girlfriend :smile:

...its ok to look but not touch!

probably would wait a good while before making any jumps, perhaps in the timescale of the mythical 5dmk3 :smile:

indoor night shot 25mm f4?! hahaaaa your kidding right? my 14-140 @ f4 can barely shoot an indoor daytime shot lol i get what you mean tho :smile:

thanks guys, dvxuser.com keeping me on the straight and narrow again, invaluable source!
 
I am having this same issue but it is for renting a camera for weddings. I had a request for something more "cinematic". Blah blah blah, I define it as a cinematic score (music), using a slider, shallow DOF, 720 60p (slo mo people want) and flash forwards / backs in editing. I guess I answered my own question. 5D doesn't do 60p. Anywho, that wedding is in August and I have two to practice on. By "practice" I mean they haven't requested a "cinematic" style, it's just what they will get. I am not charging for something I don't know how to do. I shot on the T2i for the heck of it at my sister's wedding and the video was jarring. Hyper real. Smooth cam helped a little but damn, not the HMC40, HM100, HM700, HPX370, V1U footage that I am used to. I just answered my own question again, the T2i shutter must have been way fast because it was full sunlight.

http://vimeo.com/austinwedding
 
terra1 said:
indoor night shot 25mm f4?! hahaaaa your kidding right? my 14-140 @ f4 can barely shoot an indoor daytime shot lol i get what you mean tho :smile:
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<grin>

...What I meant is an indoor shot that has too look like it's taking place at night, which can be tricky to make your lighting look like real indoor evening lighting, and not just a bunch of broad-lights bounced off the ceiling.

Too often I see 5D video where everything is shot wide open, where the DOF is paper thin in every shot and it looks ridiculous, when they should have added more light and stopped down for controlled DOF.
 
duartix said:
With the kind of muny you're bound to spend why don't you just consider getting a 7-14mm instead?
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i think the 7-14mm is an f4 lens so its really rather slow.

i really like the full frame sensor on the 5dmk2, for both the extreme shallow depth of field & ultra wide angle shots, it really makes me want to jump from m4/3 to ff.

plus with the 5dmk2 i get a far superior stills camera as a bonus :smile:

im still pondering wether to switch but if i get the cash i probably will :smile:
 
TheDingo said:
Too often I see 5D video where everything is shot wide open, where the DOF is paper thin in every shot and it looks ridiculous, when they should have added more light and stopped down for controlled DOF.
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yeah i agree that shallow DOF gets used a bit too much... yet it still does really look beautiful when used correctly :smile: (not suggesting i would tho, i may abuse it too hahaa)
 
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