Thinking about going AVID

I've been an Avid editor for over 10 years, and recently started editing on FCP. Our facility has both Avid Symphony/Media Composer and FCP suites. I even purchased a FCP for home editing after editing on Premiere the past few years.

IMO Avid is still the superior system. I have NEVER in 10 years lost a project on Avid due to a crash. I can't say the same for FCP. Avid is a very stable system. My home FCP system has locked up more times than my Avid ever has.

FCP has some things that I like, but it just doesn't compete with Avid for clean simple editing, color correction (although FCP has improved on that end) and organization and media management.

Most importantly for me is that more money can be made on the Avid. We can still charge more per hour for the Avid suite. It is hard to charge as much for FCP when the client already has a FCP at home.

EVERYBODY has FCP because they can afford it. Even Walter Murch who edited "Cold Mountain" on a FCP said he did it because of cost savings. He could afford 4 FCP systems for the cost of an Avid system.

The Cohen Bros. edited "No Country for Old Men" on a FCP system because they wanted something easy to learn. They wanted to edit for themselves at a low price. I know Mac is making a big deal over it, but they chose the system because it was cheap and easy to use, not because they thought it was superior.

With Avid's new pricing that may change things, but for now FCP will continue to gain ground, not because it is a superior edit program, but because it costs less. Even with Avid's price drop Compser is still $1,000 more than FCP. So every student who wants to edit at home will look to FCP first, plus the learining curve is less on FCP. It only makes sense that FCP will continue to grow based on price alone.

There may be more Ford's on the road than BMW's. Doesn't mean it's a better ride.
You can drive cross country in a Ford Taurus, or in a BMW. They both will get you to where you want to go. The BMW may cost more, but I just prefer the ride of the BMW.
 
Whatever about all the opinions. I use AVID and FCP. Whatever, learn both and you wont have a problem.

But, to answer the original post way back - if you know a student, I think you can get Avid Media Composer Software Edition for like 300 bucks. It's like 1200 dollar program. So that is one very viable way to go. Don't get Xpress, they are EOLing it.
 
With Avid's new pricing that may change things, but for now FCP will continue to gain ground, not because it is a superior edit program, but because it costs less. Even with Avid's price drop Compser is still $1,000 more than FCP. So every student who wants to edit at home will look to FCP first, plus the learining curve is less on FCP. It only makes sense that FCP will continue to grow based on price alone.
Avid's educational pricing is quite aggressive. $300 for MC software - unreal.
Anybody know what the educational pricing is for FCS2?
 
Geez, I wish Avid would tell us more about the Avid color correction tool. So much of its benefits remain a mystery to be discovered through trial and error, while FCP's Color gets trumpteted from the rooftops. I think Avid's "old thinking" was that Avid should be an arcane, professionals-only tool, and unless you had someone very experienced passing down the techniques to you, well you were on your own.

What does Color have over Avid's Color Correction? What bit depth is Avid's Color Correction tool working at? What are some workarounds for secondary color correction? What are the orders of operations for CC and FX in Avid, and does it matter (the way it works in AFter Effects)? These are just a few examples of information that remains elusive. I'm sure it's out there. But not easily found.
 
Geez, I wish Avid would tell us more about the Avid color correction tool. So much of its benefits remain a mystery to be discovered through trial and error, while FCP's Color gets trumpteted from the rooftops.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The skills involved in color grading are platform/application independent. The toolsets may be named differently, but the technique remains the same.

The order of correction:
1. Setup
2. Highlights
3. Gamma (midtones)
4. Balance.

Have you looked into the color correction books by Steve Hullfish?
The first one that covers the basics of the tools & techniques:
http://tinyurl.com/4ggwsx

If you already have an understanding of the basics you might be more interested in the second book, released earlier this year:
http://tinyurl.com/3k2ux9

FWIW, I've heard as many people complaining about Color's lack of tight integration with FCP as I've heard praise for it's capabilities.
 
Hey mikcsac, I went to look at those books and I am not sure what to do.

The first one "Color Correction for Digital Video" has a bunch of reviews that sound like they were shamelessly written by the author, and when you find a review that sounds and looks real then they say that it is basic and sometimes a bit confusing with the jargon, or that it simple falls short... that there aren't enough visual examples or at least not for all the subjects, so on and so forth...

Then the second one "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" simple doesn't have a single review...


I have used every single CC tool, tried a million things but I would much like some theory on the subject and some very good examples. I wonder if you can tell me a bit out the second book and if you want on the first one so I can pull the trigger on one of them.
 
Regarding "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" it's brand new so I'm not surprised that there are no reviews up yet. Here's a thread from some dvxusers, maybe they can shed some light.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=125122

Both books offer plenty with regards to theory and technique. The second book is more advanced than the first. Which book is right for you depends on your current level of understanding. I would bump the other thread to read some other opinions.
 
Hi,

While it is none of my business, why would you want to switch? Vegas is more user friendly by a country mile.

Because Avid is Pro and never the twain shall meet.
If you ever want to do something that goes past your basement or if you ever want to work in the industry at a professional level...then Avid is a must. Editing systems all have similarities and they are not hard to learn compared to other software. Editing is much more about the 'eye' and making decisions.

Personally I prefer Final Cut, but I use Avid for the above reasons.
 
The first one "Color Correction for Digital Video" has a bunch of reviews that sound like they were shamelessly written by the author, and when you find a review that sounds and looks real then they say that it is basic and sometimes a bit confusing with the jargon, or that it simple falls short... that there aren't enough visual examples or at least not for all the subjects, so on and so forth...

Then the second one "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" simple doesn't have a single review...

I have used every single CC tool, tried a million things but I would much like some theory on the subject and some very good examples. I wonder if you can tell me a bit out the second book and if you want on the first one so I can pull the trigger on one of them.

Sorry for the quick threadjack here - but figured I could shed some light on this ...
I have both books - I'm about halfway through "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" right now.

The first one I got a few years ago when it came out.
I would say if you know nothing about color correction - it's a good primer. But it is a very basic beginners book. Not much about theory in there at all - but basics about CC tools (what is pedestal, what does contrast mean and what does it do, etc). It helped me at the time that I got it, but since reading it a few years ago I haven't picked it back up.
I'm not saying it wasn't good - just that it served its purpose.

The newest book, ""The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction," is great so far.
A lot of theory and workflow discussion. Interviews with working industry colorists - plenty of examples. The only warning would be you have to really want to read about Color Correction to get through it - it reads (and basically is) a text book.

I had been looking for a long time for a resource about color correction that might cover theory more than specific software (in the same way I have books about editing techniques that have nothing to do with specific NLE systems). If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend picking this book up - if the second half is as good as the first then it's a pretty good book.

Definitely some info in there that I'm sure you already know - but it's good to hear things from people who are working in the industry, even if sometimes it's 'common sense.'

Hope that helps.
 
Darnit, Luis..... Another book I need. As if I didn't have enough tech books to solidify my stance as total tech dork. Been meaning to pick this one up for a while.

Best price I could find. eBay of course. (Item #280218762809).

$35.86
$4.95 shipping


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Says they have 999 available. So - I guess that means they still have a few.
 
Sorry for the quick threadjack here - but figured I could shed some light on this ...
I have both books - I'm about halfway through "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" right now.

The first one I got a few years ago when it came out.
I would say if you know nothing about color correction - it's a good primer. But it is a very basic beginners book. Not much about theory in there at all - but basics about CC tools (what is pedestal, what does contrast mean and what does it do, etc). It helped me at the time that I got it, but since reading it a few years ago I haven't picked it back up.
I'm not saying it wasn't good - just that it served its purpose.

The newest book, ""The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction," is great so far.
A lot of theory and workflow discussion. Interviews with working industry colorists - plenty of examples. The only warning would be you have to really want to read about Color Correction to get through it - it reads (and basically is) a text book.

I had been looking for a long time for a resource about color correction that might cover theory more than specific software (in the same way I have books about editing techniques that have nothing to do with specific NLE systems). If that's what you're looking for then I would recommend picking this book up - if the second half is as good as the first then it's a pretty good book.

Definitely some info in there that I'm sure you already know - but it's good to hear things from people who are working in the industry, even if sometimes it's 'common sense.'

Hope that helps.



Perfect, I am definitely getting it... you said plenty of pictures (examples) right?
If so then the only thing then I want and might missing in it with only that book is the basic examples about what the basic tools do exactly... I know what I get from each one, I've CC'ed every shot that got used from those I have shot so far from the beginning of my experience, but I know there is something I am missing, I thought it is was theory but I bet that knowing exactly what the basic ones do I will jump up a level

Does "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction" cove the basics well, I don't need exhaustive explanations but good ones at least.
 
For what it's worth, if you exclude using Color, AVID's CC tools are better than the 3-way CC in FCP. You get curves, which is nice.

Having said that. Know both. That simple
 
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