The XL2's Achillies Heel...
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Ranger
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Well, these truly are exciting and yet confusing times for many of us.
I’m not sure what class I belong to. I just wanted a better than average prosumer camera than I can record some of my experiences while still in the military. I’ve left too many moments in my life pass me by unrecorded.
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched sea beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die.”
- Blade Runner (I love that quote!)
Well, these truly are exciting and yet confusing times for many of us.
I’m not sure what class I belong to. I just wanted a better than average prosumer camera than I can record some of my experiences while still in the military. I’ve left too many moments in my life pass me by unrecorded.
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched sea beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die.”
- Blade Runner (I love that quote!)
skippyfetus
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[quote author=Rich Lee link=board=XL2;num=1094840246;start=15#20 date=09/11/04 at 01:25:49]
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I'll take one of these, lol
You can put me in category 2.5... I'm not a brand loyalist, but I lust for the XL2. I'm surprised I haven't made it the background on my desktop.
There's no sense in putting cameras on a pedastle or slamming them... they're just products and they have limitations.
[quote author=Rich Lee link=board=XL2;num=1094840246;start=15#20 date=09/11/04 at 01:25:49]
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I'll take one of these, lol
You can put me in category 2.5... I'm not a brand loyalist, but I lust for the XL2. I'm surprised I haven't made it the background on my desktop.
There's no sense in putting cameras on a pedastle or slamming them... they're just products and they have limitations.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
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LMAO
No matter the camera of choice the technology is moving in an exciting direction. Im just glad that we are not onyl a part of it but can afford it!
LMAO
No matter the camera of choice the technology is moving in an exciting direction. Im just glad that we are not onyl a part of it but can afford it!
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<<Everyone calm down. Jeeesh.>>
I don't know who was acting too excited for ya John. I certainly wasn't jumping around while I typed my "call it as I see it" response. I'm suggesting calmly that your perception isn't a technical fact. I didn't suggest you get your eyes checked, which I would if I saw the XL2 footage as ghostly <g>.
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<<Everyone calm down. Jeeesh.>>
I don't know who was acting too excited for ya John. I certainly wasn't jumping around while I typed my "call it as I see it" response. I'm suggesting calmly that your perception isn't a technical fact. I didn't suggest you get your eyes checked, which I would if I saw the XL2 footage as ghostly <g>.
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J.R. Hudson
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Yeah you were.
In all seriousness, dont take things so literal. That was my way of saying "Yes I am aware of everything you posted" but was just making a casual observation and not stating any technical facts.
Yeah you were.
In all seriousness, dont take things so literal. That was my way of saying "Yes I am aware of everything you posted" but was just making a casual observation and not stating any technical facts.
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Aza
Right on for the line control in the xlrs. How cold I use my Shure mixer for my very ancient, but excellent Electrovoice shotgun? Audio is very much of any movie.
Aza
Right on for the line control in the xlrs. How cold I use my Shure mixer for my very ancient, but excellent Electrovoice shotgun? Audio is very much of any movie.
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I'm in the class that says whats the camera worth if the picture is good but the audio is crap. No switchable line level in the xlr's? Noisy audio? Iffy iris control? Having to buy speciality lenses for specials situations? If the XL2 is gonna compete in the same league as the DVX then your going to have to buy a DAT recorder and velcro it onto your XL2. So far im unimpressed with the XL2 and it's not because im a DVX fanboy. Its because this is typical Canon b.s., and I expected as such when the XL2 came out. I had the money to buy either camera and I could'nt see wasting my money on a first generation camera with numerous bugs. I waited, and ended up buying a DVX . So now instead of crying and bitching about how canon doushed everbody, Im out there shooting, making some $$, and seeing the smiles on clients faces as they are super impressed with the picture of the DVX.
I'm in the class that says whats the camera worth if the picture is good but the audio is crap. No switchable line level in the xlr's? Noisy audio? Iffy iris control? Having to buy speciality lenses for specials situations? If the XL2 is gonna compete in the same league as the DVX then your going to have to buy a DAT recorder and velcro it onto your XL2. So far im unimpressed with the XL2 and it's not because im a DVX fanboy. Its because this is typical Canon b.s., and I expected as such when the XL2 came out. I had the money to buy either camera and I could'nt see wasting my money on a first generation camera with numerous bugs. I waited, and ended up buying a DVX . So now instead of crying and bitching about how canon doushed everbody, Im out there shooting, making some $$, and seeing the smiles on clients faces as they are super impressed with the picture of the DVX.
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wow... lemme guess... you just bought your dvx a week before the XL2 was announced right???
whats all this line in yap... go get an XLR cable... it's like 5 bucks...
different lenses for different situations?? that's the beauty of it...
use what you have... and be happy with it... if you don't like another product, don't hate... just don't buy it...
F.Y.I.... my company uses a 100a, pd150, vx2000 and an xl2...
wow... lemme guess... you just bought your dvx a week before the XL2 was announced right???
whats all this line in yap... go get an XLR cable... it's like 5 bucks...
different lenses for different situations?? that's the beauty of it...
use what you have... and be happy with it... if you don't like another product, don't hate... just don't buy it...
F.Y.I.... my company uses a 100a, pd150, vx2000 and an xl2...
HorseFilms
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I waited for Canon to anounce the XL2... it didn't really do much for me, so I bought a DVX. I'm sure it's a great cam, but it didn't slap me in the face the way the DVX did.
I waited for Canon to anounce the XL2... it didn't really do much for me, so I bought a DVX. I'm sure it's a great cam, but it didn't slap me in the face the way the DVX did.
Ernest_Acosta
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Does anyone know the cost of the lenses (manual) to use with the XL2? Isn't there small boxes that can convert mic level to line level?
Does anyone know the cost of the lenses (manual) to use with the XL2? Isn't there small boxes that can convert mic level to line level?
evinsky
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Manual lens is about $1500, no IS and no manual iris control.
Yes there are ways to get line level to mic level but they all introduce noise. The whole point of line level is to get the superior signal generated by a good sound mixer and sound person. It makes a huge difference. And trying to post sync a DAT is an unnecesary pain in the assets.
Regarding previous posts. Birns had very carefully set the XL2 and the 100A to identical settings for my test. So please do not assume the camera wasn't calibrated correctly. Secondly a great majority of my clonclusions were made from the DVD that Canon it's self created. Now if Canon can't make it's own camera perform acceptably for thier sample DVD one has to wonder if the rest of us can. Put simply, Canon had a chance to knock one out of the park, they merely hit a double, they got 16:9 and good, clean low light response. The interchangeable lens is a mixed bag and the 24P is just playing catchup.
Manual lens is about $1500, no IS and no manual iris control.
Yes there are ways to get line level to mic level but they all introduce noise. The whole point of line level is to get the superior signal generated by a good sound mixer and sound person. It makes a huge difference. And trying to post sync a DAT is an unnecesary pain in the assets.
Regarding previous posts. Birns had very carefully set the XL2 and the 100A to identical settings for my test. So please do not assume the camera wasn't calibrated correctly. Secondly a great majority of my clonclusions were made from the DVD that Canon it's self created. Now if Canon can't make it's own camera perform acceptably for thier sample DVD one has to wonder if the rest of us can. Put simply, Canon had a chance to knock one out of the park, they merely hit a double, they got 16:9 and good, clean low light response. The interchangeable lens is a mixed bag and the 24P is just playing catchup.
Aaron Koolen
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Also just to add, you can get manual lens control if you can find the older 14x lens. But you get a rotating front element to screw on polarisers etc don't do so well. Also I think you miss the ND filters too.
Aaron
Also just to add, you can get manual lens control if you can find the older 14x lens. But you get a rotating front element to screw on polarisers etc don't do so well. Also I think you miss the ND filters too.
Aaron