Ouch!!!
FX6: The Sony ILME-FX6V Owners Club
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Ouch!!!
morgan_moore
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Alongside 2 x FS7s it is very clearly a better quality image. Deals with saturated colours far better too.
The sensor is twice as big and seven years newer.
While I dont like 'weak' testing it would seem that this is so unsuprising as to not need deep investigation!
In fact when one needs to test things by pixel peeping test chart to expose differences the practical answer is usually 'they are the same in the field'
The sensor is twice as big and seven years newer.
While I dont like 'weak' testing it would seem that this is so unsuprising as to not need deep investigation!
In fact when one needs to test things by pixel peeping test chart to expose differences the practical answer is usually 'they are the same in the field'
Jesus wept. Stop bombarding us with useless information. How long was the day? 8 hours? 12 hours? 16 even? And was that with continuous takes? Stop starting? Did you time how many minutes each take was and then add them up for a grand total? And what about reviewing takes? Did you even do that, because that uses less battery life - not sure how you could ignore that! And was the battery hot or cold? Christ, did you not even take its temperature? And how new was the battery? And has it been recycled correctly during its life? How did it compare with other examples of the same model? Was it, in fact, a freakishly good example of an otherwise poor product? Are you sure the camera was on? I mean, can you prove that?
Any TRUE professional would have added all this info, and probably more that I have omitted to mention, before wasting our time by trying to be helpful... In fact, just stop trying to be helpful, it just annoys people. TIC.
(Hint: tongue...cheek)
Any TRUE professional would have added all this info, and probably more that I have omitted to mention, before wasting our time by trying to be helpful... In fact, just stop trying to be helpful, it just annoys people. TIC.
(Hint: tongue...cheek)
Has anybody seen good or great footage shot on the FX6 they could link us to? Regular searches on Vimeo, Youtube, Daily Motion produces a range of mediocre to good visuals. But if someone has seen something mind blowing from the camera, it would be good to share it.
Thanks
Thanks
Ben Scott
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The thing I'm currently shooting will be very unattractive and I won't show it to anybody.
Hoping to shoot a spec commercial soon where I'll have a chance to actually make something look nice. If it comes off I'll stick it up. The thing I'd say about the camera is that there don't seem to be the normal barriers to a great image like I felt there was with the FS7.
It's not an Alexa LF but I think it can look lovely.
Hoping to shoot a spec commercial soon where I'll have a chance to actually make something look nice. If it comes off I'll stick it up. The thing I'd say about the camera is that there don't seem to be the normal barriers to a great image like I felt there was with the FS7.
It's not an Alexa LF but I think it can look lovely.
Check out the stuff when it launched. Usually the people who Sony sends the camera to for promotional videos do nice stuff. To be fair, it’s a FF cinema camera with the new Sony color science. In the hands of anyone capable, the stuff will look fantastic.
Hey Ben - I hesitated to post in this thread as I'm not an FX6 owner. But still have my FS7 and have also been shooting with the a7sIII now for quite awhile.
If shooting both of these in Slog3.cine - the major difference I've seen when comparing them side by side - using same monitor LUT - is that the ability to white balance the a7siii (and it has a really great system for WB'ing) and fine tune that WB is usually is advantageous. It does make the 3 preset WB's of my FS7 in CineEI mode feel outdated.
I'm assuming the same goes for the FX6. And wouldn't that alone help explain not clipping certain color channels as quickly?
Cheers to a speedy recovery of the toe!
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Seeing as this thread has somewhat derailed by itself, just want to interject that the Mluts on modern cameras have begun to favor highlights in a way that previous cameras never did. so, straight away in the monitor, we’re going to hate the Fs7 rec709 conversion. but shooting slog, i think the differences are smaller, except in the extremes, like saturated lighting etc.
Another factor, being that the Fx6 is likely cleaner and a tiny bit more DR, AND the more shallow DoF on lower cost lenses and zooms, you have all the little bits of this and thats that really do add up to making a camera just feel better and get better results consistently.
however, in my mind, as much as i dislike the fs7, we have to admit, that a good Slog workflow can yeild very up to date modern looks.
in this comparison, the Fx9 does seem to have a bit better tonal response, slightly smoother, but colours are subjectively better on one or the other, depending on the viewer. But notice how the shallower depth of field on the Fx9 makes this particular shot look more “filmic” and less “video”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVjPrLkv63o
i guess what i am saying is, despite all of the reasons for this or that, i think real world: the Fx6 IQ> Fs7 IQ
*...but in the hands of a good team, lenses of choice, and a savvy DP, i’d be hard pressed to care about the differences of one camera to another.
** I was thiiiis close to getting an Fx6, but the F55 came down in price and i got distracted. i’ve enjoyed the A7s3 footage, and it is shows a sensor that is capable of some very nice things.
Another factor, being that the Fx6 is likely cleaner and a tiny bit more DR, AND the more shallow DoF on lower cost lenses and zooms, you have all the little bits of this and thats that really do add up to making a camera just feel better and get better results consistently.
however, in my mind, as much as i dislike the fs7, we have to admit, that a good Slog workflow can yeild very up to date modern looks.
in this comparison, the Fx9 does seem to have a bit better tonal response, slightly smoother, but colours are subjectively better on one or the other, depending on the viewer. But notice how the shallower depth of field on the Fx9 makes this particular shot look more “filmic” and less “video”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVjPrLkv63o
i guess what i am saying is, despite all of the reasons for this or that, i think real world: the Fx6 IQ> Fs7 IQ
*...but in the hands of a good team, lenses of choice, and a savvy DP, i’d be hard pressed to care about the differences of one camera to another.
** I was thiiiis close to getting an Fx6, but the F55 came down in price and i got distracted. i’ve enjoyed the A7s3 footage, and it is shows a sensor that is capable of some very nice things.
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Ben Scott
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@markfpv
The FX6 was balanced same as the FS7s for the duration of the shoot but certainly it's a great improvement. Even with that added functionality I'm not aware of them actually being listed as being able to capture a wider gamut or anything. I feel it's more of a quirk with the FS7 under some conditions than it is a feature of the FX6.
Thanks re toe. I discovered I can still drive if I scooch my foot over a bit, so that's good.
The FX6 was balanced same as the FS7s for the duration of the shoot but certainly it's a great improvement. Even with that added functionality I'm not aware of them actually being listed as being able to capture a wider gamut or anything. I feel it's more of a quirk with the FS7 under some conditions than it is a feature of the FX6.
Thanks re toe. I discovered I can still drive if I scooch my foot over a bit, so that's good.
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Ben Scott
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In this instance we are talking about a log image with a lut being applied at the external monitor as opposed to internal MLUTs.
I absolutely agree that there's lovely images to be gotten out of most modern cameras and I spent several years doing decent (and of course not so decent) work with an FS7.
However in this particular instance it was instant, it was obvious and it was multiple people going 'eww what the hell is wrong with the FS7?'
And at the same time the FX6 came through that test with flying colours.
My observation won't be relevant to a lot of shooting scenarios and I'm sure they would be a lot easier to cut between elsewhere. This environment just happened to hit a limit on what an FS7 seems to be able to deal with.
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i absolutely 100% believe it.
chad whelan
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Did you run it all the way out? Just wondering how accurate the FX6 reads the time remaining compared to the actual. I am new to BPU batteries so while I wait for my FX6 to arrive I have been researching options.
alaskacameradude
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I’d say it was pretty obvious to me that the FX6
looked better than the FS7 when I looked at the output
from both, as well as when I worked with footage from both
in post. I wasn’t questioning it as it sort of makes sense
that the newer cameras look better than the older ones.
So I didn’t perform any of the ‘tests’ to prove it one way
or another. Ah well, I’m still convinced.
Ben Scott
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Started at 9am and with a fair few breaks with camera off and finished around 5.30pm. At that point there was a low battery warning but it said it had 40mins left. I ran it for another 15-20mins with no problem.
broughtonfilm
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My own 3D printed version just arrived, this one is for the Kamerar QV-1. Overall, it works great for me and the 3D print quality surprised me positively. Here are couple of pics of it:
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Hi all,
I finally got today a Manfrotto bag ProLight CC192N. It is quite big, but not too heavy (about 2kg)
Here it is, with the FX6 fully assembled, 2 additional batteries, the Samyang 24/1.8 on the FX6, the Sigma 14-24/2.8 and the Sony 55/1.8
+ one Ronin RS2 including the dual handle option (main part with the FX6 and other parts in one side bag)
+ one MacBookPro 16" in the other side bag
There is still some place for a Mavic Mini2
For the remote switch to trig the record with the Ronin, I've found a workaround ! this: http://www.lanparte.com/product/info_45_itemid_366.html
It works with the Remote LAN connector of the FX6
Note that the ring provided with the switch is designed for the proprietary handle, which is diam 30mm. The Ronin handle diam is 32 mm, so it has to be tweeked a little bit . Or mounted with a dual 1/4"-20 screw somewhere
(there is also a WIFI version)
I finally got today a Manfrotto bag ProLight CC192N. It is quite big, but not too heavy (about 2kg)
Here it is, with the FX6 fully assembled, 2 additional batteries, the Samyang 24/1.8 on the FX6, the Sigma 14-24/2.8 and the Sony 55/1.8
+ one Ronin RS2 including the dual handle option (main part with the FX6 and other parts in one side bag)
+ one MacBookPro 16" in the other side bag
There is still some place for a Mavic Mini2
For the remote switch to trig the record with the Ronin, I've found a workaround ! this: http://www.lanparte.com/product/info_45_itemid_366.html
It works with the Remote LAN connector of the FX6
Note that the ring provided with the switch is designed for the proprietary handle, which is diam 30mm. The Ronin handle diam is 32 mm, so it has to be tweeked a little bit . Or mounted with a dual 1/4"-20 screw somewhere
(there is also a WIFI version)
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Teddy_Dem
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Atomos have posted a video of 4K120P recorded with ProRes RAW from the FX6 & FX9 to the Atomos Ninja V+:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVBW6_qHa3Q
And some behind the scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vKmSFUl5As
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVBW6_qHa3Q
And some behind the scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vKmSFUl5As