NorBro
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I wonder how many of those movies were shot in 1920x1080 with the camera.
The shift to 4K is happening much faster than the move to HD did
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I wonder how many of those movies were shot in 1920x1080 with the camera.
Darren Levine
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I am indeed a projector man myself. been so for near a decade. my current screen is 100", but only by the grace of our well situated movie room, and a wife who actually appreciates such things
Projectors are a great candidate for 4k, but pricing has been sluggish to say the least. market share for projectors vs TVs is probably fractional.
Before my current 1080 benq projector, i used and still use a 720 optoma, and while the upgrade was noticable and worthwhile, i still got plenty of enjoyment from the lower resolution, and never watched something and thought it was unsatisfying low res.
joe1946
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Darren Levine
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Who made those comparison shots? the 1080 appears to be a blurred version of the 4k one, detail isn't the same as out of focus/blurry, any comparison where the lower res is obviously blurry, is very suspect.
A sharp image is a sharp image regardless of the resolution, so long as it's viewed in a 1:1 scale.
What has happened with the projectors was that companies have been waiting for Texas Instrument to release their 4K DLP chips. The chips were supposed to be available last year but are just coming out and, obviously, the first place where they can be found is in the high end of the market. But, if one compares these laser powered $20,000-$40,000 units to the $150,000+ Barco, then they present quite a bargain. Of sorts. When Mitsubishi introduced their HD Laser Vue TV's in 2008, they priced on the level of flat panels. LV cabinets were deeper but offered a superior picture quality. The consumers wanted flat screens and Mitsubishi bowed out of the TV manufacturing soon thereafter. Nowadays, the traditional 4K projector - not counting the pixel shifting pseudo 4K - can already be had for under $10,000.I am indeed a projector man myself. been so for near a decade. my current screen is 100", but only by the grace of our well situated movie room, and a wife who actually appreciates such things
Projectors are a great candidate for 4k, but pricing has been sluggish to say the least. market share for projectors vs TVs is probably fractional...
PS. In 2004, Sony announced its 1080p Qualia projector. The price was $27,000 + $3,000 for the lamp.
joe1946
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They are screenshots off my 28" Dell 4K UHD monitor. I played that video in 1080p mode then in 2160p mode when I made the screenshots.
1080p :
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5015/29675473750_9d65c945cd_o.png
2160p :
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5145/29675476080_df92fd9347_o.png
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KahL
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It's funny because almost this exact same scenario is what's destroying the videogame industry. The move to HD bloated budgets SO FAR upward that Publishers don't want to take risks; creating regurgitated titles annually with lower bars of entry, higher costs and lower quality design-wise.
Andrius Simutis
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4k adoption in 2016 is dependent on one thing. HDTV sets breaking down.
Sorry kids, that's the reality. No regular consumer is running out to buy a 4k TV unless they need a new TV.
Another trend to consider is that a lot of millenials aren't buying any TVs at all.
Sorry kids, that's the reality. No regular consumer is running out to buy a 4k TV unless they need a new TV.
Another trend to consider is that a lot of millenials aren't buying any TVs at all.
My 42" 720p plasma's still going strong 8 years later! HOLLA!
(Actually I wouldn't mind something bigger 'cause videogames are hard to see from more than about 7-8 feet away for me especially with lots of text/menus/reading to be done. Bought this one when I was in a smaller place).
(Actually I wouldn't mind something bigger 'cause videogames are hard to see from more than about 7-8 feet away for me especially with lots of text/menus/reading to be done. Bought this one when I was in a smaller place).
puredrifting
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Both of my kids are Millenials and they only consume media on their phones or occasionally a laptop. Neither owns a TV or probably will ever own a TV, it's just not what they do.
So, basically, your kids have the same size TV as my grandma had back in the 1960's.*
*Theirs is a slightly higher res.
joe1946
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So only old people play games like Grand Theft Auto V, Call of Duty: Black Ops III , Minecraft etc ? My kids have gaming PCs, XBOX One, PS4 etc that are on large TVs.
puredrifting
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Daughter is graduating from college and didn't want a TV when I offered to buy her one. She is happy watching stuff on her 4" iPhone screen, which to me is weird. Son is a senior in high school, has an X Box 360, PS3 and Wii, all hooked up to our 50" TV, all are collecting dust. He plays on-line games with five friends on his phone, all of the other five 17-18 year old friends are the same way, rarely watch TV, spend most time on their phones. My little sister, who is 31, I just shot photos for her of an event, wanted to send her the selects, 38MB file, she could not download from Dropbox on her phone for some reason, I asked her if she could download them to her computer, her reply was, "I only have a phone, got rid of my computer." Her boyfriend also didn't have a computer at home either, I had to send them to him at his work email so he could download them at work, on his work laptop. Times, they are a changing. Apparently, having a TV means we are "olds". I am delivering a 4k 3D animated corporate project right now. Client wants to use 4K Prores 444 for tradeshows/video walls but is actually having us increase line width in the animation because he is more concerned about aliasing on phones. To me, as a producer, phones used to be a secondary audience concern, but I can now see that I need to pay a lot more attention to how my deliveries look on mobile because mobile is arguably as important as "TV" and may soon far overtake "TV", with viewing content on a TV just being a secondary market for "olds". Gotta evolve guys.
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Thomas Smet
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How will they watch a sports game with a group of friends? Watch a movie with a significant other or their children someday?
What you are describing has more to do with the fact that they are teenagers who are not yet living on their own and entertaining people in their own homes. I didn't have a TV either back then. Wait until they get married and have a family. Can't watch a movie with the kids on their phone. We have to be careful not to confuse Millenials with teenagers. I agree not a lot of 16-24 year olds going out and buying a TV. Did we even do that when we were that age? Eventually they will get older and they will mature and they will determine a TV makes more sense at that stage in their lives.
If not they may be blind by the time they reach 40 and develop one heck of a hunchback.
puredrifting
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Funny you mention that, son is a football fanatic, he has been watching all of the NBC games on his phone while texting friends who are doing the same. Does not like being tied to the TV where we are. He watches the game, texts and usually is doing at least one other task at the same time. The ADD is strong with this generation.
According to The Atlantic, http://www.theatlantic.com/national...on-begins-and-ends-according-to-facts/359589/ Millenials were born between 1982 and 2004. My kids were born in 1994 and 1998, so both are Millennials. Daughter is 22. Lives with boyfriend. She has told me that her generation, her included, are mostly NOT getting married, the statistics bear her out. Marriage for Millennials is out. Same with kids. She doesn't want kids, but she said if she ever does, she will adopt. In the U.S. birth rates for white, middle class are diving, while minority birth rates are rising. I think the things our generation valued, like money, having a lot of kids, capitalism, having a big TV, are not important to Millennials, (other than the birth rates, which in the U.S are increasing for Latinos mostly).
Having a TV was always important for me but I was in the electronics business/film fanatic in my 20s so probably not "average" in that respect. Personally, my generation (I was born in the cutoff year for boomers, 1963) caused the Millennials, we caused the "Participation Ribbon, not materialistic (fostered by all of the ex-hippies, who ironically became very materialistic), not embracing of capitalism, everyone needs a reassurance that they are a special snowflake, single parent raised epidemic) that resulted in Millennials being the way they are. I see a lot to admire in the Millennials but we have to accept that what is important to us (Baby Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y) is totally NOT important to this generation.
Barry_Green
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Yes, but that is a standalone device that is not, inherently, a phone...
I suspect maybe this device would be more along the lines of the discussion, because at least it's still a phone...
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/moto-insta-share-projector
NorBro
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There is only one game that airs on NBC each week and it's on Sunday nights.
Same for the other three major networks (CBS - FOX - ESPN) who each share one game on Sunday or Monday (based on local listings/geography). The exception is Thursday Night Football, which has a wacky contract, but mostly exclusive to the NFL Network.
Not really relevant, but that just brings me to mention how that is an insane way to watch football. There is no right or wrong and anyone can watch how they please, but sports are one of those things that are just meant to be watched on large displays with people around you.
P.S. I just really love football, haha.
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