The problem with star wars..(SPOILERS)

Bring back model sets! The thing about the old SW films is that they just felt more authentic. CG'd out, I am.

When I think about the genuine "Star Wars" moments in the prequels, they are all conducted on a tangible set, not a blue screen. I'm all for GL sportin' digital, but I think overdoing the CG might give the impression that digital is just that--CG.

Also, that scene on Kashyyk (sp?)--bringin' in the Wookies for nothing? That crap just felt so damn forced (pun unintended). It had no place in the movie, there was no plot to it, it was just a way to please old-school SW fans.

Hypothetical: Let's say that there was NEVER an original SW trilogy. Lucas's first film being Episode 1. Lucas would NEVER be allowed behind a big budget feature again. Lucas should praise his lucky stars that he's got such a following, because without the original SW fans, this story would be left untold. It might not be fair to make that comparison, because the world is definitely a different place than before, but you get my drift. RotS is decent, but that's it.

Lucas is a good storyteller, but he lacks in directing and scripting. Episodes 1,2,3 just lack that "magic" feeling. RotS comes close, but it is still fourth best. Of course everyone is going to be parading this movie, and Lucas is smart for his strategy. Strategy = make atrocious Episode 1 and 2, set bar so low that anything above is hailed as great.

Don't get me wrong, I own both Episode 1 and 2 and I will own Episode 3. There are good elements and they outweigh the bad, but these are not of the caliber of the original SW trilogy. My opinion.

Upon my second viewing, RotS wasn't as good as when I first saw it. GL has had way too much time milking the original and not enough time behind the camera. There's no question of how GL has taking technology under his wing and advanced it in the biz--but hailed as a great director is just preposterous to me. He has a vision, but the execution is a joke (visually awesome).
 
I totally agree with DinosaurInc about the model sets. It felt so good to see an ACTUAL background when they showed the familiar white walls of the rebel blockade runner ship. The coolest thing about the classic trilogy is that everything around the characters is real, tangible, and kinda retro-funky. The new trilogy looks like a high-tech computer game, sort of like a glossed-over Wing Commander III. We can only hope that the upcoming TV show will make more use of actual sets...

And by the way, for those who have problems with Lucas' scriptwriting and directing abilities, please...do yourselves a favor and see THX-1138 and American Grafitti. He can be very, very good. Trust me.
 
Great Thread here! If only GL hired you guys as Story Analysts, it'd be a much better movie. There were good moments, though.

Three coming attractions before ROTS, Fantastic Four, Batman and Narnia. All featured the same type of CGI effects and over the top action. So before ROTS started I was CGI-overloaded like an MSG headache. Amnesty International must declare a world-wide CGI moratorium, please!!!

When you watch Episode IV after III, there are some problems:

Darth Vader: I sense a disturbance in the Force across the vast galaxy, yet I cannot detect that Princess Leia is my daughter! (though we share the same Mitochlorians!) Same with R2, my trusty droid. The Force is strong but the Memory is weak!

Yoda: Into Exile gone have I ! Hmmm! More Three Dimensional and rubbery I am!

Obi-Wan: 17 years have passed. I have aged 42! Stress does that to you! Why did Anakin have to burn my stash of Jedi Feel-Good stuff? Nobody carries it on Tatooine!

Darth Vader: Emperor! Once my voice was whiny and petulant, but after Crispy Critter Time, it is deep and resonant. If this job pans out, let me do Pavarotti tunes !

Jar Jar Binks: Is meesa ded already?!! Meesa hopesa not, gotta settle down and have lotsa little Jar Jars!!
 
machardi said:
Scene 15 - The inexplicably quiet scene. (Truly in the movie!)

Padme looks out the window.
Anakin looks out the other window.
Anakin cries.
C3PO walks over to Padme.
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yeah it was a bit quite, but there aint nothing weird about the c3po walking over, they are good friends in clone wars, it makes sense. he should have said someting though... i dunno i cant remember!
 
jleo said:
Same with R2, my trusty droid. The Force is strong but the Memory is weak!
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If you saw your current car 20 years from now, in another city in another state, would you automatically assume it was your old car?
 
Well first of all I really enjoyed Episode III.

It has some flaws (to much CGI and too easy transformation to the darkside)

But the final scene with Anakin and Obi On.. Obi Wa.. Ben Kenobi is a really good scene.

Ewan McGregor really gives his character depth there.


I think the series would have been much better if Episode 2 had been Episode 1 and we had one more movie just focusing on Anakins path to the darkside.


And to the question

"Darth Vader: I sense a disturbance in the Force across the vast galaxy, yet I cannot detect that Princess Leia is my daughter! (though we share the same Mitochlorians!) Same with R2, my trusty droid. The Force is strong but the Memory is weak!"

Well maybe you cant scenes the force on somebody who isnt using it. Qui gon seemes to have by logic figured out that Anakin was using the force. Same as Darth Vader starting to scenes that the force is strong with Luke after luke disconnect his targeting computer on his X-wing.


And Obi never said he didnt knew about R2 He only said that He couldnt remember owning a droid. And maybe he was just carefull telling Luke the whole story.



And don´t forget, it´s just a movie
 
I don't see a problem at all with Star Wars. Personally its mine and millions of others favorite movie series. George Lucas is a brilliant director and writer. Revenge of The Sith is an excellent movie and a great way to end the series....at least for now. The way you did the little sum up of ROTS can be done the same way with any movie. ROTS ranks right up there with the orginals.
 
The only thing about the Luke and Leia thing is that Darth Vader doesn't know that his kids survived, he thought that he killed her (because of what Palp told him). So I don't see this as a consistency issue. Now the other stuff that's been mentioned.....

Also, Jubal while I think you make a good point about the car, I don't know....he supposedly built that thing from the ground up, that should have some meaning to him. Good point nonetheless.
 
Not R2-D2. He built C-3PO, but he never finished him, and besides, C-3PO looks exactly like every other protocol droid, of which Vader no doubt sees thousands. He unquestionably sees thousands of astromech droids, too, many of which most likely look exactly like R2. I think he can be forgiven for not mentioning it, especially as he almost never actually SAW them in Eps IV-VI.
 
Actually he built C3PO, and if memory serves there are no scenes with Vader AND 3PO except when he's in pieces and on Chewie's back. Plus there are zillions of gold potocol droids in the Star Wars universe ... wait a tick. Did I just defend George Lucas? Blast! :laugh:

If I could have one question answered from Revenge of the Sith it's this: *SPOILER (if anyone still cares)*

If Qui-Gon is the key to the whole Force Ghost thing, and between Episode III and IV he appears to Yoda and Obi-Wan to teach them how to "gain immortality," then how does Anakin come back as a ghost in Jedi? Are we to assume that Qui-Gon appeared to Darth Vader and taught him the single most powerful Force Trick ever? I think not....

Chris
 
I thought Episode 3 was great. I certainly wasn't disappointed with it. Anakin's transformation actually made me sad(with the exception of the "Nooo!" moment).

I think the main thing that the new trilogy lacks compared to the old trilogy is a sense of history. The original trilogy obviously had a back story to it, and it made the SW universe more "believable". Like it had been around thousands of years. So when we hear Obiwan talking about things that had happened before that we didn't get to see, it made us feel a sense of wonder and intrigue, knowing that the story and the world was bigger than what we were seeing.

The new trilogy doesn't seem to have this history. Every "set" is pretty and shiny and bright, like the universe was just created. There's no sense of history, like anything important happened at all before what we are seeing. Creating a convincing alternate world means that there needs to be a vast history to it(like Lord of the Rings). The new trilogy is primarily just a bunch of stuff that happened, and stupid stuff at that(ie. a little kid and a retarded Gungan accidently winning a major battle). The audience is not asked to think beyond what they are seeing in front of them. Peace.
 
"If Qui-Gon is the key to the whole Force Ghost thing, and between Episode III and IV he appears to Yoda and Obi-Wan to teach them how to "gain immortality," then how does Anakin come back as a ghost in Jedi? Are we to assume that Qui-Gon appeared to Darth Vader and taught him the single most powerful Force Trick ever? I think not....
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It´s was probobly the same trick Sidous was talking about when he said there was a way to defeat death. So its possible that Darth Vader/Anakin learnt from him. Of course why we dont se Sidous in the end of episode 6 as a ghost is because, nobody want to talk to him. :D
 
Yeah, I was wrong

Yeah, I was wrong

Jubal28 said:
Not R2-D2. He built C-3PO, but he never finished him, and besides, C-3PO looks exactly like every other protocol droid, of which Vader no doubt sees thousands. He unquestionably sees thousands of astromech droids, too, many of which most likely look exactly like R2. I think he can be forgiven for not mentioning it, especially as he almost never actually SAW them in Eps IV-VI.
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Yeah, my bad. Read it wrong. :lipsrseal
 
It´s was probobly the same trick Sidous was talking about when he said there was a way to defeat death. So its possible that Darth Vader/Anakin learnt from him. Of course why we dont se Sidous in the end of episode 6 as a ghost is because, nobody want to talk to him. :D
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Not a bad theory. There are a couple of things that spring to mind to make me question it, but sadly Lucas hasn't given us enough pieces of the puzzle to even have logical debates about the story.

Thanks for the post. :thumbsup:
 
I loved the description!

To add to it, I don't know if anyone else felt this way but I was surprised by Padme at the end. "I've just given birth to two helpless babies in an increasingly dangerous universe with no father to care for them but I can't think of a reason to live." That's got to be the fastest case of post-partum depression ever! ;)

--- Mark
 
Padme didn't actually die from losing her will to live....that's just the response the medical droid is programmed to give when no known cause is found. She died from the extreme negative chi she came into contact with during the choke. Vaders aura and chi were at there most intense negative density at that point. No matter how long he was Vader, it would never be that stongly negative again....he was fresh from swapping over and had just done things of a much thicker negative value since they had not yet become just another day at the dark sith lord office. That, coupled with her extremely vulnerable emotionally unstable state, and you've got a mind/body/spirit that cannot take such a blow and survive.
 
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