The Panasonic G1HD | GH-1 Video Mode : A Real Video Mode

Kholi said:
I'll settle it right now. Going to best buy. If they won't Let me plug it in I'll buy it.
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don't waste your time, it's the same as the D90 just a live view HDMI out. Don't listen to support guys. pay peanuts get monkeys
 
LoL. Squig hit it on the nose.

And you know what? after seeing the D5000's "Flip Out" LCD? I've come to the conclusion that Nikon really doesn't give a damned about people who want video. I wouldn't be all too surprised if it remains a carelessly tacked on feature with horrible skew and blocky compression.

That Flip Out LCD of theirs is ridiculous. What's the point if the damned thing only flips down?
 
hehe....bring it

why not shoot HVX....where to start

too big
too expensive
too video (DOF)
too boring
too dark
too dated
 
I consider myself a bit of a RED fanboy (in the sense that if I could afford one, I'd buy one), but I agree with Squig as well. The GH1 is more or less available today (although we have about a month to wait in the U.S.), the Scarlet is 'When It's Done.' And on that kind of schedule, 6 months has a funny way of turning into a year has a funny way of turning into 2 years, etc. The future holds great things, but if we're serious about making films, we deal with what's in front of us Right Now.
 
yeah Kholi I thought it looked pretty useless unless you want to shoot your feet. The D400 could still be interesting. I don't expect a jello improvement but it should have a better codec and manual control. I think we'll know for sure by the time the GH1 hits the streets
 
jpsheets said:
... It looks like a great little camera, but if you want to shoot HD, why not just shoot on an HPX or HVX?
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The appeal is 35mm FOV and DOF, Lowlight Performance and Low Profile shooting.

If you don't need any of those I'd strongly suggest anyone remain with an HVX200A or EX-1.
 
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jpsheets said:
Well, I've read through the thread and I'm still confused. Is this Panasonics' answer to the Scarlet?
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Not really. It has a smaller sensor. Scarlet shoots 2k (theoritcally) and would be a real professional quality cam with out some of the compromises and issues people are willing to work around here. They're willing to work around them for reasons I'll get to in a minute but the draw backs are - some weird alliasing in 1080 24p, you're locked into 24fps in 1080, and 60p in 720, you can't monitor your video accept on the LCD. You wouldn't deal with that stuff with the Scarlet.

jpsheets said:
...It looks like a great little camera, but if you want to shoot HD, why not just shoot on an HPX or HVX?
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This camera is basically the adapter killer. It has DOF simillar to RED which is a little less than 35mm but more than 16mm or 2/3rd chip cameras, so it would have a shallower DOF than the 2/3rd chip version of the Scarlet as well. And you can change lenses, use the lenses made for it or with some kind of conversion ring you can use nikons and canons just like with a 35mm adaptor. But you don't need an adaptor - anothr $1500 piece of gear and you don't loose all that light.

So what this camera has that no other camera has so far (We think, it's still early)

  • Less than $1500 price tag
  • Shallow DOF
  • Interchangeable lenses
  • 1080 24p
  • Minimal Jello / rolling shutter esp in 720 60p
  • Face detection auto focus in video mode (nobody has that)
  • Much better low light performance than anything with an adapter
  • It shoots to insanelt cheap media. Not even comparible to the new P2 cards. Way way way cheaper.
  • For slomo, it even sort of hold its own with the HVX. HVX only does variable frames in 720. So already we've been doing all our slomo stuff in 720. With the GH1 you can shoot 720 60p for slow mo, much the same way you'd shoot 60fps for slomow in 720 on the HVX, difference being it won't happen in camera, and you can't review it on set, but the result will be identical.
Some Drawbacks

  • "Some" Jello visio, but already there's a work around - for your crazy action scene shoot 720 60p and drop frames down to 24p in post, edit it in with the rest of your 1080 shots.
  • the aliasing in 1080 24p may be an issue, maybe there'll be a work around. Some theorize that getting a PAL version and shooting 25p might help.
  • no way to monitor your footage on set except LCD (hopefully someone will figure out a good hack or video tap)
  • no way to turn off audio gain, but there are hardware work arounds for this in the $300 range.
  • Harder to deal with footage in post
  • less professionally reconized codec / not as good for color grading
But basically if you want to control your DOF, have an inexepensive, lightweight run and gun camera that shoots HD 24p and is decent in low light on low cost media - there really is no other camera like that at any pricepoint let a lone less than $1500. It's better in low light than HVX without an adapter. And it's less glass / fuss / lightloss than anything with an adapter.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
It is quite evident that this camera is very popular. As such, there are going to be a wide range of folks with differing opinions posting in this section.

New cameras tend to bring out the worst in people's behaviors on the boards.

Please keep in mind the rules of the forum, and avoid the personal jabs, etc... It is quite possible to have a debate, discussion, etc... and still remain professional and respectful to one another.

I'm seeing some of you making veiled insults, etc... Please stop. I don't want to have to step in, but some of you who should know better for sure, need to be the example of the tone we like to keep on this forum, not the ones throwing jabs, etc.

Thanks.

later,
Jason
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I've done some cleanup so this post will make no sense to those of you who didn't see the deleted / cleaned up posts, but remember Jason's sticky and play nice please.

No one wants to lock such a popular thread, but we will if we have to.
 
I just realized I have to spend more on sound equipment than I am on the GH1. Kinda puts things in perspective.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
Not really. It has a smaller sensor. Scarlet shoots 2k (theoritcally) and would be a real professional quality cam with out some of the compromises and issues people are willing to work around here. They're willing to work around them for reasons I'll get to in a minute but the draw backs are - some weird alliasing in 1080 24p, you're locked into 24fps in 1080, and 60p in 720, you can't monitor your video accept on the LCD. You wouldn't deal with that stuff with the Scarlet. (...)
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Fina summary. The apparent lack of monitor out is the biggest black mark against it in my book (objectively speaking, I can live with it).

You're quite right about the Scarlet comparisons. I would still very much that camera, but given the various $/equipment requirements the reality is that the GH1 will be a much better choice for me in the short term. when it comes down to it, the fact that I can play the raw footage back smoothly on my existing machine is a big plus :happy:

I can't help dwelling on the fact that for the same price as the basic Scarlet, you can buy two of these. If you're trying to do an indie feature on a budget that is an absolutely killer advantage - turning the camera around is so time-consuming, not to mention that if you get The Great Take with two cameras rolling you also potentially saved several hours in post.
 
squig said:
I just realized I have to spend more on sound equipment than I am on the GH1. Kinda puts things in perspective.
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:shocked: Are you sure about that? PM or email me at angibrowl -at - gmail if you want, it needn't be that expensive. Rode mics are from Australia if I recall correctly, and their NTG series is both good and affordable.

You might do much better to cast around for a decent sound person with good equipment than buy it all yourself and not be able to make the best use of it; and if equipment is a must-buy for whatever reason, there are still lots of options. You don't need Lectrosonics, for example; for about a quarter of the price you can get some Sennheiser wireless mics that'll give you 95% of the same results.
 
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