The Panasonic G1HD | GH-1 Video Mode : A Real Video Mode

CFLs are not giving me rolling lines. Just older Fluorescents and Sodium Vapors
nobody answered me the last time so i'll try it again: do you get rolling even at the matching shutter speed? at let's say 1/60 each line should be exposed to exactly 2 pulses of light under 60hz flos so there should be no difference between them. this works to remove flicker and roll with every other camera i've ever used, from film to the d90. i'm not sure what could possibly be different about the gh1.

/matt
 
ready to ditch your D90's yet Matt?
sold one, keeping the other indefinitely. alas the gh1 hasn't impressed me with its image quality. it looks like mediocre video from 5-10 years ago just with less dof. i'm sure when it's time for my next feature, next summer most likely, neither of today's cameras will be our choice.

/matt
 
did you look at the mjpeg clip kholi posted.....looked much nicer than the D90. So you would still have shot your film on the D90 if this was available at the time?
 
nicer technically, but the sensor is clearly way inferior. i won't speculate on what i would have used, we just grabbed what felt right at the time. when we wrote the script it was meant to be done on super 8, later hdv with 35mm adapter, then sudenly the d90 was released and off we went.

/matt
 
well I won't make my final decision until I see the specs on the D400. Hopefully it will be a tough choice.

So you think it's just inferior in terms of dynamic range?
 
Any format from the GH1 (AVCHD 17mbps 1080p24, AVCHD 17mbps 720p60, mjpeg 720p30) looks nicer than the crappy compression from D90. I don't understand how can GH1 be "mediocre" if you consider D90 as a viable solution...
 
I don't understand how can GH1 be "mediocre" if you consider D90 as a viable solution...
didn't i just say that i think it's technically better? some people simply have the ability to see different aspects of things and discuss them separately. try it. it's fun.

/matt
 
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you just have to take a look at matt's head and you will understand how he sees things that the rest of us don't

oi you didn't answer my question
 
I can see different aspect, but the result is the product of each aspect.
Good Sensor*Crappy compression=Crappy result
Medium Sensor*Medium compression=Medium result

In what aspect is the D90 sensor better than GH1's ?
 
i'm well aware that most people don't have eyes that see anything but megapixel ratings, but having an eye for aesthetic quality hardly makes me unique, does it? :-)

everyone can see that the gh1 shoots sharper pictures than the d90, i thought that was settled but for the record i totally agree with that. *aside* from the obvious limited sharpness of the d90 the image looks much better to my eye. if you don't agree let's discuss, but can we please leave the obvious out of it?

/matt
 
Any format from the GH1 (AVCHD 17mbps 1080p24, AVCHD 17mbps 720p60, mjpeg 720p30) looks nicer than the crappy compression from D90. I don't understand how can GH1 be "mediocre" if you consider D90 as a viable solution...

I think GH1 is the best out of the 5 - Canon 5DMkII, Canon 500D, Nikon D90, Nikon D5000, Lumix GH1

G1 was a milestone, first EVIL/mFT - with an excellent EFV and moveable display - it's perfect :happy:. GH1 continous this success.
 
Good Sensor*Crappy compression=Crappy result
Medium Sensor*Medium compression=Medium result
great sensor*great compression=great result. are you saying you don't want that or you don't think it can be done? is it wrong to be disappointed by a camera that doesn't deliver it if you were hoping it would? if you search the boards you'll find that i was one of the biggest proponents for this camera before it was released.

In what aspect is the D90 sensor better than GH1's ?
i haven't studied it and haven't even used the gh1, but possibly latitude, color fidelity, "depth", sensitivity, i don't know. that's what i thought we could discuss, but everyone seems obsessed with bitrates and pixels. so far i haven't seen anything from the gh1 that looks anywhere near as nice as the best d90 stuff i've seen, *despite* the problems.

/matt
 
"the d90 the image looks much better to my eye"
can you be more specific ?
the d90 shoots cinematic images with great latitude, smooth highlights, pure colors, nice film like shadows, while the gh1 looks like cheap video, consumer hdv/avchd more or less only with less dof.

/matt
 
I think GH1 is the best out of the 5 - Canon 5DMkII, Canon 500D, Nikon D90, Nikon D5000, Lumix GH1
what's interesting is why. the 5d takes the most beautiful pictures, no doubt, with the d90 second in my opinion, but neither have manual controls and 30p is useless, and the d90 uses too much compression. the gh1 has manual control, 24/25p and a much better codec than the d90, but the image just doesn't look as good to me. anybody agree or disagree?

/matt
 
Where's that bloody D90 firmware update!

The GH1 certainly has more of a video look about it but we haven't seen much shot with old primes yet which makes a difference. So far though I'm thinking I can tweak the GH1 footage enough to get the right look. The D90 compression however is impossible to tweak.
 
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