the neverending story: pixelcount

Thanks for that link, very helpful indeed! Do you think they will really have 1/2" CCD HD camcorders in the pro-sumer market by 2007?
 
Sony are releasing the PDW-F330 and F350 this year. They're 1/2in CCD around the $20-25k mark. Okay, it's more than twice the price of the 1/3in CCD HD camcorders, but they're getting cheaper all the time.
 
Alex Leith said:
Sony are releasing the PDW-F330 and F350 this year. They're 1/2in CCD around the $20-25k mark. Okay, it's more than twice the price of the 1/3in CCD HD camcorders, but they're getting cheaper all the time.
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I think we have two choices:
a) we wait fior the best, cheapest and sharpest camera which will undoubtedly come someday and while we wait we count pixels , discuss about pixels etc... ad inf.
b) we say: what are cameras for ? pixel count or filmmaking ? So lets look at the best one for our purpose today, make an educated decision- with great use and appreciation of this forum - and go out and film and then forget about pixel counting for a year or two and enjoy the magic of moving pictures
( if it is not about the latest hairdressing commercial, but that's just my personal opinion).
 
I'm questioning myself if Tore Nordhal, after promising his third part of the article to February 28th (inclusively, Sanjin posted it here) if he didn't push the Panasonic's HVX CCD/DSP specs public announcement?... :embarasse Or will it be (t)his article a second hand of the information released here?... So much information's package prepping one sole article, specially, announced before?... :Drogar-Thinking(DBG Will it be?... :huh:

Jan posted following Sanjin
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...and unfortunately, by his own fortune, Sanjin isn't here to comment as he said it would be possible. But what it's interesting to record concerning this dvxuser.com fraction of history, probably, it's one of the most interesting history's plot of the HVX CCD specs release where the contribution of some people here and there it could give to all -- the potential customers, this important step in order to understand what our decisions must be. Grateful to our web democracy, as well.
 
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pete archer said:
we wait fior the best...
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Waiting in PAL countries means waiting for hvx200pal. Sony's f330 is already in the stores. (And it has ntsc&pal in one unit.)
 
toke lahti said:
Waiting in PAL countries means waiting for hvx200pal. Sony's f330 is already in the stores. (And it has ntsc&pal in one unit.)
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What camera do you refer to when you say Sony s f330 is already in the store ?
 
Sony has a big, full-color, foldout spread in this month's (March) issue of American Cinematographer, on the PDW-F330, for indie filmmakers. 1/2", HD, 24p, variable frame-rate, XDCam (optical disc). I think it's $16k.
 
CineAlta said:
Sony has a big, full-color, foldout spread in this month's (March) issue of American Cinematographer, on the PDW-F330, for indie filmmakers. 1/2", HD, 24p, variable frame-rate, XDCam (optical disc). I think it's $16k.
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The PDW-F330 is indeed around $16K, but unfortunately it's the PDW-F350 which has the variable framerates (unless you're counting being able to switch between 60i and 24p as "variable framerates"). Unfortunately, the PDW-F350 is $9,000 more than the PDW-F330 - and the only differences between the cams are the variable framerates and HD-SDI out! To add to that, Graeme Natress has stated that the variable framerates in the PDW-F350 above 30fps actually drop the resolution of the recorded frames in half, because it is a 60i-based camera and it blends the interlaced fields to record the faster framerates. If that's not misleading as heck, then I don't know what is. Still, the PDW-F330 looks like a really promising camera for only $16K, and that's list price... it's bound to be cheaper on the street.
 
Haakon said:
The PDW-F330 is indeed around $16K, but unfortunately it's the PDW-F350 which has the variable framerates (unless you're counting being able to switch between 60i and 24p as "variable framerates"). Unfortunately, the PDW-F350 is $9,000 more than the PDW-F330 - and the only differences between the cams are the variable framerates and (...)
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Did you see the Barlow's experiences@720/60p -> 24p? Where was the difference comparing with variable frame rates@acquisition?
 
Anders Holck said:
And you need the $9500 PDWF30 to ingest material without the camera....
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If I'm not wrong -- I think I'm not, it isn't a problem to change to DVCPRO-HD, Cineform, JPEG2000 or even uncompressed HD, of course, after to provide the transfer via 35megabits as native bit rate from the camcorder.
 
Anders Holck said:
And you need the $9500 PDWF30 to ingest material without the camera....
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True, but needing a separate deck from the camera isn't as crucial as it used to be as you're not wearing down tape heads when you access the footage. Although a spare deck would be nice to have, I don't think it's a necessity with a format like this.

mico said:
Is the lens included in this price for 330 or 350?
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No, the prices are body-only.

Emanuel said:
Did you see the Barlow's experiences@720/60p -> 24p? Where was the difference comparing with variable frame rates@acquisition?
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No, I haven't. What camera was it? The HVX? Do you have a link? Thanks buddy.
 
Haakon said:
True, but needing a separate deck from the camera isn't as crucial as it used to be as you're not wearing down tape heads when you access the footage. Although a spare deck would be nice to have, I don't think it's a necessity with a format like this.
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I was more into if you want to ingest something at home, while the camera is out. Or if you want to pass the footage to a place that doesn't have a deck.
 
mico said:
Is the lens included in this price for 330 or 350?
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Not at the version L but at K that was announced only to the F330 package. It must be $22,000 or something around. $16,800 to PDW-F330L and $25,800 to PDW-F350. IMHO, the $9000 plus to F-350 it just justifies to the future HD-SDI workflow with the devices that will be around the corner. But not by now as affordable and portable solution. Otherwise, despite green screen work, CGI or something like that, if we will have a clean image with rez & high def, decent colors, latitude and a good behaviour@exposure, DOF, focus and many settings control, for wth we will need adding bit rate. That's like to go out every night with sun glasses...

EDIT -- I'm speaking exclusively from the indies' low budget side. My pain with that F330 is the double price and, last but not least, the non-handheld form as ENG-like cam.
 
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Haakon said:
No, I haven't. What camera was it? The HVX? Do you have a link? Thanks buddy.
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His cam: XL-H1. Unfortunately, there isn't link 'cause it's his default Apple user account that he has been used during 2/3 days and generally not more. But if you PM him I'm thinking he will be nice as usual and as great contributor as he also is. Try it: here he is just «Elton».
 
Haakon said:
True, but needing a separate deck from the camera isn't as crucial as it used to be as you're not wearing down tape heads when you access the footage. Although a spare deck would be nice to have, I don't think it's a necessity with a format like this.
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And you need the $9500 PDWF30 to ingest material without the camera....
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Sorry Anders. Today, I didn't sleep yet, so I'm a little bit out. Now I already follow you. But, as usual, I agree with Häak. If it confirms the 35megabits transfer from the camcorder, to indie production it's OK. And it will be better rather to have a 2nd generation from HDV tape.

Anders Holck said:
Or if you want to pass the footage to a place that doesn't have a deck.
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In this case, the camcorder will be really "the" portable deck. :D On the other hand, maybe a FireStore or other similar device as it works with HVX. But with an advantage: 40 minutes@maximum_quality & affordable price -- already in 2006 as we will have during next year when P2 will arrive to 40Gb. But at what price?
 
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