The latest on RedRail

Muttondraw

Muttondraw

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There has been a lot of talk about lenses and the RED drive recently. Selling prices have been discussed and likely delivery dates banded about. It is all getting to feel a lot more real now and so issues like workflow and compatibility are becoming very hot topics as people try to get to grips with how they are going to actually start using this camera. I haven't heard much about physical support recently though. I would like to know if there is anything that can be updated about RedRail or RedCage. Are either likely to be delivered on or shortly after the camera roll out?Some sort of clue on the target price point would be great. I think it is an important point because most users are going to need to think about mounting lens support and accessories right from the start.

I don't think it is a big deal if Red accessories follow some time later, there are many other support options out there, but this is likely to be a one off investment for many and is another significant budgetary consideration.

As a discussion point my wild budgetary guess would be that a RedRail system like this:

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that is the rails + front support handles + shoulder mount + top handle, might costs in the region of $1800. Is that likely? Is that too little? too much?

my assumption is that a Red support option is likely to be cheaper than the nearest equivalent from Arri or Chrosziel so I would definitely prefer the Red route but maybe that isn't the case... I can't recall seeing any target prices mentioned at all. I am sure there must be others thinking along the same lines at the moment so hopefully someone from the Red team could give us a few clues. I would also like to know what support setup other Reservation holders are considering or hoping for and if anyone else has an opinion on likely (realistic) price points.

Martin
 
I think we're all curious about what the total cost for a workable Red setup will be, because, hey, we will be paying for one early next year.

I too would like to keep it all 'RED', but if I feel the rails/shoulder mount, etc is priced too high, I will find an alternative. So far, Red seems to represent 'too good to be true' in both specs and price and the accessories will hopefully follow suit.
 
I was wondering the same thing this morning actually. I've long been pondering lenses and recorded media etc and can't imagine using the camera without the rails to be honest, yet I haven't got a clue about the pricing of this thing at all. My feeling was worse case scenario I go to the family businesses Aluminium Factory and build my own if I cannot fit it into the budget but I'd certainly prefer to keep it Red from the getgo.
 
Without Red rails or the Red cage, I'm assuming there's a standard mounting screw on the camera so that it can be attached to other rails, but from the looks of the design there's no handle at all without the Red cage. I guess for any handheld you're just sorta hanging on to the camera body for dear life with both hands. Not even a hand strap, right?
 
Maybe the RedGun will make an unexpected reappearance - I always thought it looked cool if nothing else lol
 
sean90291 said:
Without Red rails or the Red cage, I'm assuming there's a standard mounting screw on the camera so that it can be attached to other rails, but from the looks of the design there's no handle at all without the Red cage. I guess for any handheld you're just sorta hanging on to the camera body for dear life with both hands. Not even a hand strap, right?
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One of the selling points of the Red design is that it is covered with mounting points, so it shouldn't be too tricky to rig something up. I am going to want lens support and follow focus so I would prefer to get a "proper solution" together rather than knock something up temporarily though.

Martin
 
Muttondraw said:
One of the selling points of the Red design is that it is covered with mounting points, so it shouldn't be too tricky to rig something up. I am going to want lens support and follow focus so I would prefer to get a "proper solution" together rather than knock something up temporarily though.

Martin
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What kind of lens support?
 
The proper way to do it all of this is via iris rods.

As each lens is physically different in dimension, the iris rods assure almost universal compatibility with follow-focus, matte boxes, handgrips and so on.

All those additional mounting points - specifically if they're tapped 1/4-20 - will be incredibly handy for adding handles, monitoring, drives and... hopefully... RED's own version of the venerable and indisposable PANATAPE.

e
 
Jarred,

Are the rails set to be 15 x 60 or Arri or another proprietary guage and spacing? Everything I've seen since the earliest days looks like 15mm x 60 as an integrated body feature. Strike that! The rails are definitely a separate component in almost all photos on the newer tour.

I respectfully suggest that all rails are of the pass-through design. There is significant cantilever against the PL mount - too much for only 1" of purchase at one point.

e
 
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Jarred Land said:
The Rails are still under development, so prices have not been set for the Red Rail.
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Will the Design and Prices of some of the main accessories such as the RedRail be locked down in December along with the camera and specs or is this unknown?
 
The grips on this image don´t look very comfortable ( seems to miss forward backward tilting ), they are too high for extended operation times so that the arms get tired very soon - I´m comparing them to Arri´s S-2/S-3 grips which are excellent, only beaten by the Arricam LT/ST-handgrip system which is totally adaptable to the operator.
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sean90291 said:
What kind of lens support?
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I want to support a S16 zoom. It isn't too heavy but ideally it needs some support so that all the load isn't on the lens mount. The Red zoom design target weight is 7lb, which I presume means it will require support too. Commonly this is done either with a light weight support using a special lens support bracket on 15mm rods, or a more sturdy support using 19mm rods mounted on a bridge plate. The RedRail system appears to use both the 15mm and 19mm supports, which is great because it allows for more versatility in the lens accessories you can use.

Martin
 
overlandfilms said:
Jarred,

Are the rails set to be 15 x 60 or Arri or another proprietary guage and spacing?
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There are two sets of rods (if you look at the picture on the previous page, there are upper and lower rods), and they are different in size. I can't find it from a quick search, but I know that Jim stated somewhere that the upper rods are 15mm. I don't recall the lower number, but I'm sure they're working to a standard. This camera is about flexibility and compatibility; creating a proprietary standard would work directly against that mentality.
 
Haakon said:
There are two sets of rods (if you look at the picture on the previous page, there are upper and lower rods), and they are different in size. I can't find it from a quick search, but I know that Jim stated somewhere that the upper rods are 15mm. I don't recall the lower number, but I'm sure they're working to a standard. This camera is about flexibility and compatibility; creating a proprietary standard would work directly against that mentality.
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The lower rods are the bridge plate style rods which are 19mm on 104mm centres. Together these are the most common lens support standards. 15mm are used for light weight support, often when you are trying to keep the weight down for handheld and the 19mm rods are for heavier support.

Martin
 
Jarred Land said:
The Rails are still under development, so prices have not been set for the Red Rail.
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I just hope the red rail/grip/cage setup costs less than Chrosziel stuff. I think the red rail/grip/cage is specifically designed for the red one. So for those early adopters(reservation holders), maybe the red team can offer a special price?
 
shaun_au said:
I just hope the red rail/grip/cage setup costs less than Chrosziel stuff. I think the red rail/grip/cage is specifically designed for the red one. So for those early adopters(reservation holders), maybe the red team can offer a special price?
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personally i think the reservation holders have gotten it pretty good already.. with redcine and the monitor and these screenings etc.. not to obviously mention the fact they are giving us a $200,000 camera for less than $20,000
 
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