The Footage from Leo's shoot...

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alpi69 said:
the good:
skintone discussion is over
highlight discussion is over
seems to easily resolve the 800 lines of the chart
the flowers colours are gorgeous
nobody can beat 1080 variable framerates

the not-so-good
ISO800 is realtively noisy. I wonder if it is better to go 1600 and give the chip light to work with instead of being on the limit with ISO 800 (that´s how it works on DSLRs, so maybe it will do on the AF100).
but to keep it on perspective: watch the convergence-F3 film and go to the night-view of London: the sky looks terribly noisy there also.

my 2 cents
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Thank you, alpi, the 800 is considerably less noisy playing back from the FC timeline and some grading might have helped. We did take a look at ASA 3200; don't use it unless you're going for a very noisy effect or shooting for content rather than art.

ASA 400 is plenty fast and, by the way, true to my Spectra lightmeter; I would not hesitate to shoot at 800 if I needed it, although I might light so I could later crush the blacks (and the noise) in post.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
i've been waiting for this, thank you soo much for sharing the footage with us.

Definitely makes me excited to see how Cine-D will look with properly lit and exposed footage.

Not totally convinced with the green screen results though, edges aren't that smooth, but should be useable if there isn't too much movement in the frame. Still waiting to download the full rez version to look into it a little more.

Amazing :D
 
Thank you for doing the test and editing your results. I am downloading the file now, unfortunately an .mov, and will have to transcode it to mp4 to play back on the 50" plasma, as I have all the other test samples. I will withhold final opinion until I see it there. But the vimeo clip is showing fairly large areas of detail loss in highlights on reflective areas of forearms, foreheads (could this be a bit overlit?), and some of the orange cloth. I am hoping it's just vimeo compression lumping all those subtle levels into one, and the full-res output will show more range in those areas. In all honesty, though much sharper of course than my Letus/HVX combo, I found these samples less "filmic" in character than most of the footage from Japan, all of which I've watched full-res on a studio monitor. I am thinking that not using Cine-D on this test is why. Though Cine D is unforgiving of over exposure, it's also where I used to get the most filmic looking gamma from the HVX.

I'm looking forward to seeing more footage in natural light (and properly exposed cine-d), were we might see the shallow dof do its magic on objects in the fore and backgrounds.
 
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Thanks a lot. This footage is spectacular. So nice to see footage under controlled light. Really this is beautiful. I'm psyched!
 
PaPa said:
i've been waiting for this, thank you soo much for sharing the footage with us.

Definitely makes me excited to see how Cine-D will look with properly lit and exposed footage.

Not totally convinced with the green screen results though, edges aren't that smooth, but should be useable if there isn't too much movement in the frame. Still waiting to download the full rez version to look into it a little more. Amazing :D
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Your results may certainly vary, but I did look at the pre-sets and did not like them. I think you lose control of the knee with them as well. Let's remember that the unpleasant transitions to clip that we saw in earlier tests were shot with Cine D.

Of course you've got to test, test, test for yourself; the way you light and shoot may well favor a different setting. Also, as we had such limited time for testing the settings, something else might actually have been better.

One thing I'm pretty sure of, is that you're going to love this little camera; it does so much so very well at a price that's so low it's crazy.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
Let me also add here that having Barry Green on the set was a real treat. I've been on several forums since about 2003 and to finally meet this well of knowledge and information was both enlightening and entertaining.
 
Joe Walker said:
Yes we used Keylight in After Effects.
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Here's a quick settings change in Keylight that will help reduce or eliminate the chatter noise in her hair, and other areas where spill has been removed...

In settings/screen matte/replace method choose "hard color" instead of "soft color". Leave it grey.

Other things can be done to deal with the grey alteration of skin tones near key boundaries, but that is the fastest, large stroke improvement you can make.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs
 
Jim Arthurs said:
In settings/screen matte/replace method choose "hard color" instead of "soft color". Leave it grey.

Other things can be done to deal with the grey alteration of skin tones near key boundaries, but that is the fastest, large stroke improvement you can make.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs
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Cool, thanks Jim!
 
First of all, I think you guys did a great job, congratulations.

Now, to the bad.

Is it just me or the image is pretty noisy even at 400 ISO? If you look at the model's black dress, there's just so much noise there.

I though this would be an improvement over the noise levels I get on my HPX 170, but it doesn't seem any better.

And ISO 800, way, way too noisy! Sadly I don't think I'll ever be using anything above 400, and that is very disapointing. :embarasse

I thought the larger sensor would somehow drastically reduce the amount of noise on the footage.
 
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It's not just you Thomas. This test is showing a lot of noise. There may some setting tweaking that they did that brought about more noise. I don't know. But there's a ton of it in the blacks. I'm also seeing large areas of detail loss in highlights, such as the girl's forehead at 1:28. It's much like a lot of the highlight clipping I've seen in other videos. While I was disappointed by the video look of these clips, they were not shot using a Cine gamma. And like my HVX, when you don't use Cine Gamma, especially if you don't use Cine-D, your footage looks much more like video, and less like film. The problem with Cine-D is its sensitivity to overexposure.
 
I also noticed the noise in the blacks, but I believe that could probably be dealt with in camera or at worst by crushing the blacks. I am currently downloading the 422HQ copy and will report back.
 
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