The Dark Knight

Brandon, why did you dislike the spiderman movies? Out of curiosity.

Regarding B.O.

I'm surprised Space Chimps did so bad. :) And the big loser in this is poor Hellboy. I watched a Del Torro interview on Shootout and really like the guy. Then again, it was someone's decision to open the movie a week before Batman.
 
c.g._eads said:
Brandon, why did you dislike the spiderman movies? Out of curiosity.

Regarding B.O.

I'm surprised Space Chimps did so bad. :) And the big loser in this is poor Hellboy. I watched a Del Torro interview on Shootout and really like the guy. Then again, it was someone's decision to open the movie a week before Batman.
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Mainly couldn't get past the performances... and I felt all of the characters lacked any sort of depth.. the movies all seemed childish and surfacey to me...

Yeah, I enjoyed Hellboy 2 a lot too... sad to see it slip so much.
 
yeah, I'm not saying it needs to be LA confidential, I'm just using that as an example. I think if the writers of Batman had done the full on thought experiment, they would have come up with an airtight reason why things had to happen the way they did. Right now, they're asking us to make assumptions, and I think that means they didn't do all their work on the script.

The basic thing to me though is, if I sit there as an audience member and think: "Why didn't they just do X," there's a problem in the screenplay for me.

Besides, in Gotham, not EVERYONE is corrupt. I mean the firemen showed up to put out the fire. Gordan could have called them...
 
c.g._eads said:
I'm surprised Space Chimps did so bad. :) And the big loser in this is poor Hellboy. I watched a Del Torro interview on Shootout and really like the guy. Then again, it was someone's decision to open the movie a week before Batman.
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My problem with Del Toro is that he is like a fetish director. His films always feel like an excuse for him to indulge in his creatures and visual fetishes. The stories are an afterthought, a framework to hang his obsessions on, rather than a style that grows organically out of the material.
 
Still, the fact that Spiderman 3 even held the record in the first place pretty much proves that these records mean nothing.
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So true.

And it has a 61% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 6.6 on IMDB. That's reason enough for me saying "so what" when people quote those sites for ratings.

Such as when I say "Hellboy II sucked" and people say "It has 88% on RT."

"So what."

(I'm glad Hellboy got knocked the poo down the list.)




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I was hoping you'd go for "GayFX". Oh well.
 
Batutta said:
My problem with Del Toro is that he is like a fetish director. His films always feel like an excuse for him to indulge in his creatures and visual fetishes. The stories are an afterthought, a framework to hang his obsessions on, rather than a style that grows organically out of the material.
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Battuta, you have gone from my arch-nemesis to my Wonder-Twin. No truer words have been spoken than you spoketh above.
 
c.g._eads said:
And the big loser in this is poor Hellboy. I watched a Del Torro interview on Shootout and really like the guy. Then again, it was someone's decision to open the movie a week before Batman.
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Very true. It's a crowded superhero summer. But Hellboy (the 1st) did fair/okay BO and then awesome on dvd. They were probably hoping for the same here.

Batutta said:
My problem with Del Toro is that he is like a fetish director. His films always feel like an excuse for him to indulge in his creatures and visual fetishes. The stories are an afterthought, a framework to hang his obsessions on, rather than a style that grows organically out of the material.
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Yeah, I disagree with this completely. The guy is a MASTER at these dark fairytale stories. Just cause the guy likes big monsters doesn't mean he doesn't have a heart and a purpose behind it. Did you not see Pan's Labyrinth?! If you haven't you owe it to yourself.

BACK TO BATMAN:

I'm sure someone said this before but the BO for TDK so far has not dipped at all, its been very consistent each day of the 3 day weekend. It may appear the Sat-Sun #'s are down from Friday but Friday's include the midnight screenings.

Sure there's some inconsistencies and little things that bugged me here and there, but as a fan of movies this movie really kicked all kinds of @ss.
 
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I have to say I don't think enough people are giving Nolan the credit he deserves for having the balls to make a big-budget superhero movie that is this morally dark and twisted. Even Iron Man was content to stay in the guidelines of clearly defined good and evil. This film is all shades of gray. It could have been very easy for Nolan to take the safe route, but he took chances with the look of characters (Joker's scars), visually (a Batman movie that takes place much of the time in the day!) and thematically. And I'm sure there were studio executives second guessing him every step of the way. My hats off to him for pulling it off.
 
Batutta said:
I have to say I don't think enough people are giving Nolan the credit he deserves for having the balls to make a big-budget superhero movie that is this morally dark and twisted. Even Iron Man was content to stay in the guidelines of clearly defined good and evil.
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Iron Man did totally play it safe. Sure it was a pretty good comic book movie, but it was very, very pedestrian comparatively. Also compared to TDK, you could say BB played it safe too, but understandably with these big budget studio movies the directors seem to be pretty in-check first time out of the gate. Hopefully they have some room to breath in IM2 just like Nolan earned here.
 
The guy is a MASTER at these dark fairytale stories. Just cause the guy likes big monsters doesn't mean he doesn't have a heart and a purpose behind it. Did you not see Pan's Labyrinth?!
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This is the problem. No one cared about Hellboy 1, Pan's comes out and then delToro is a god, so he takes Hellboy and puts him in Pan's Labyrinth for part 2.

Pan's Labyrinth was AWESOME. But I've lost all respect for delToro after Hellboy2. I sat all the way through Indy4 and The Happening, but walked out of Hellboy2. It WAS that bad. And that you compare it to Pan's is the exact problem.

"I'm not her baby. I'm a tumor."

Really?
 
He is a little bit obsessed with his creatures. And I've had my problems with Del Torro (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=75287&highlight=Pan's+Labyrinth&page=3) But after watching that interview, I gained a lot of respect for him. He's very intelligent and whether I agree with his choices or not, he clearly knows what he's doing - which is more than I can say for most directors.

I really like Nolan as a director. I enjoyed The Prestige and Memento (did not like Insomnia - which was all atmosphere and no point). If there's something he needs to work on, it's his action direction. Then again, I feel like that's a criticism of nearly every action movie that comes out these days ("We're always so close so we can't see what's going on"). Do any directors know how to shoot fight/action scenes anymore? Even Bay, who's considered the "action king", the biggest criticism I had with Transformers is that he never pulled back and showed us anything. So I guess this is just a reality we have to live with today.
 
c.g._eads said:
If there's something he needs to work on, it's his action direction. Then again, I feel like that's a criticism of nearly every action movie that comes out these days ("We're always so close so we can't see what's going on"). Do any directors know how to shoot fight/action scenes anymore? Even Bay, who's considered the "action king", the biggest criticism I had with Transformers is that he never pulled back and showed us anything. So I guess this is just a reality we have to live with today.
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Nolan is at least halfway there. His directing of the vehicle chases in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight was top notch. I felt the fights were better this time out but still left something to be desired. If only he could direct fights like Stephen Chow, then we'd be talking.
 
GageFX said:
"I'm not her baby. I'm a tumor."

Really?
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I thought that part was hilarious, actually.

BACK TO BATMAN:
Bale's Batman voice. I think they are just going the realistic route and having him disguise himself and make his Batman scarier to bad guys, but yeah it's kinda annoying sometimes. Especially if Batman has very much to say in a scene. I don't know what else they could do though, obviously they haven't toned it down at all since BB.

Action scenes. I don't get why so many people complain that they can't tell what's going on or that Nolan can't shoot/edit action scenes. I can always tell what's going on. What gives? Same complaint always comes with the Bourne movies, I just don't get it. Unless you sit in the first row at the theater, then I can see how it could be a problem, but you're missing half the frame then anyways.
 
Anyone else find it hilarious that Zeus was in the movie? I think his name used to be Zeus, back in the Hulk Hogan WWF days. He did fine in the movie (he was the inmate in the boat that had some lines) but made me chuckle inside.

No Holds Barred starring Hulk Hogan and Zeus (Tommy 'Tiny' Lister):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ReWhx8X3iY
 
Well, if he was really ballsy, he would pull a Lucas and dub in someone else's voice. These days, however, the egos are just too big to pull that off. It'd be an interesting standoff, though. Nolan vs. Bale? Who do you think is more important to the franchise? Who do you think *the studio* thinks is more important to the franchise?
 
I freakin loved this film.

Going to see it a third time tomorrow in IMAX.

I loved batman begins, thought it was absolutely amazing for a comic book film. Or for any film for that matter.. but this.. this stands in a league of it's own.

I haven't been this excited to see a movie again since.. maybe.. Return of the king. It is films like this that really make me love going to the movies.

Wall*E and The Dark Knight.. the best two films of the year... and what a year it's been so far.
 
anyone seen this in an IMAX "dome" style theater? We have an IMAX in Charlotte, but it's one of those domes where you are practically lying down and makes 1/2 of the people get motion sickness. Just wondering if it's a good experience or not, I'd imagine trying to watch a normal movie on one of those things is pretty awful.
 
I have seen a "normal" movie is an IMAX dome and it was horrible. It was about 10 years ago and I dont remember what it was, but I'll never do it again. It's fine for the immersive films, but I dont think so for "normal" films. It works for the specialized films because you are supposed to look around and explore the scene. With a normal film, you need to see the whole screen and take in the whole picture.

This is my problem with normal films in IMAX even when it's not the dome. You still have to look around to see what's going on. You lose the nuance of framing by looking in the wrong place when something else, sometimes subtle, is happening.
 
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