The Dark Knight Rises

Disappointed as well. But it was an incredible spectacle. Felt it tried to do too much, without enough clarity. It was too hard to get into. We didn't see enough Batman. Bane's goal was a perplexing message. I liked him beating up Batman and tossing him in the pit. Great pathos there. But the movie just wandered after that. And Bane's death was a huge disappointment.

A reboot with a new direction, and probably Batman and Robin (since Schumacher botched that badly), and a more diabolical Riddler than Jim Carrey (who botched it as well) is what I anticipate next.
 
snowleopard said:
A reboot with a new direction, and probably Batman and Robin (since Schumacher botched that badly), and a more diabolical Riddler than Jim Carrey (who botched it as well) is what I anticipate next.
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Agreed, though I think I'd rather see Hugo Strange or The Mad Hatter or Calender Man or Zsasz, someone we haven't see on screen yet.
 
Caught the movie last night and enjoyed it. Yeah, there were some big plot holes, yes there some logic gaps, and yes at times it felt like Nolan was trying to fit in everything and the kitchen sink *but* I thought it was an enjoyable movie over all. I'll probably see it again (in part to track plot points that I got confused by).

I liked Bane's death. The thought of a third Bane/Batman brawl made me groan internally because it would have to be a drag out fight since Bane isn't going to die easy. Batman wiping the floor with Bane would've been very anticlimactic and excessively convenient plot-wise but having Catwoman blast Bane into next week was quick and didn't diminish Bane's tougher-than-nails strength.

I also liked the ending. It gave the impression of life and events going on as opposed to a movie-ending 'group hug' that so many action films settle for. It was also set up well by Nolan throughout the film. Selena gets her fresh start, Alfred sees Bruce finally moving on, Blake/Robin takes up the cowl and Gorden, seeing the repaired bat signal, I think is relieved of some of the guilt he felt for hiding the truth about Dent for 8yrs.
 
WildTrackDave said:
I was wondering something similar. I understand in BB, Ra's Al Ghul wanting to destroy Gotham because it was a scum-ridden, crime-infested hell hole that was corrupted beyond saving. But by the time this film takes place, Gotham seems like it's in peaceful harmony, almost completely free of organized crime. If Bane and Talia really wanted to finish what Ra's started, it seems like their motivation is completely off-base. Unless I completely missed a part where they explain that Batman has been gone for 8 years, and Gotham started returning back to the state it was in in BB, which frankly would've made more sense, showing that Gotham NEEDS Batman, and given Bane's mission some validity.
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Didn't make sense to me either.

Also, let's just go with for some reason you hate Gotham and think you need to destroy it, although that really makes no sense with the current state of Gotham. Batman and the police pretty much proved Ra Al Ghul wrong already by cleaning up the city. Seems like Detroit would be more of a target.

but ok, you gotta wipe out Gotham for some reason. What's the point in committing suicide? Why do you need to blow yourself up with the people of Gotham? Why not just hide the bomb somewhere, and leave?

I didn't see the motivation for the girl or Bane to commit suicide. It all seemed pointless.

We're gonna start a bomb ticking that we can't stop, and we're gonna rule over Gotham for a month, then we'll sit here with everyone else and get blown up. What kind of plan is that? These people are supposedly smart, but the plan is retarded.

Also didn't like the introduction of Robin.

I mean, ok you can make things fresh but Robin isn't a former police officer. That's a really different character.
 
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Another separate point, this movie is to long. It drags. It does get redeemed with a pretty fast paced ending, but at LEAST 30 minutes could easily be cut.

There's way to much story telling by characters, especially the Bane origin. If it's really important, make a Bane origin movie, don't spend all that time with characters in the Batman movie just explaining Bane's origin to me.

You either want to do a story about the origin of Bane, or a story about Batman versus Bane. Why do I care about Bane's origin? Is this story about Bane, or Batman?

We don't know the Joker's origin in Batman and it doesnt' matter at all.
 
Michael Traven said:
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I think honestly the biggest problem with this film is that it's too short. Yes, even at 164min, the film was too short for all the story they were trying to tell.

-JMT
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When that is the case you break up the story into two movies. That's what they did with the last two Harry Potter movies.

I mean you COULD do the lord of the Rings in one long 8 hour movie, but I think that's a bit much.

At some point (anywhere over 2 hours IMO) either you're finished telling your tale, or you need to wrap it up and do another movie.

You could do a Bane origin movie. Spend two hours telling the Bane story really well.

Then, do the Batman Rises movie. We already know the Bane origin, so we just spend time on Bane vs Batman.

You don't get teh "twist" that way at the end, but it can be just as effective. We, the audience, know Miranda Tate is a traitor so there's even more tension when we see Batman trust her.
 
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When that is the case you break up the story into two movies. That's what they did with the last two Harry Potter movies.
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But in the case of HP and the last two installments... the first of the last... sort of lagged as if the filmmaker was 'marching time' to eat up the 2 or more hours worth... then sort of crunched the last of the last... to get it into 2 or so hours...

Since this is "Dark Knight Rises"... I'd say for 3 hours I was fine with how things went...

The only real 'huh?' was the end twist... of who's on first... but other than that...

I'm sure when the DVD/BD comes out and I watch it about 5 or so times... other things will occur to me...
 
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Didn't make sense to me either.

Also, let's just go with for some reason you hate Gotham and think you need to destroy it, although that really makes no sense with the current state of Gotham. Batman and the police pretty much proved Ra Al Ghul wrong already by cleaning up the city.
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I thought it was clear that Talia was just out for revenge for Bruce killing her father. Part of her revenge was finishing what her dad started. Bane, as we learn through the back story, was devoted to Talia and would have done anything she asked.
 
Yeah it was all about revenge in the end. They get back at Batman/Wayne by destroying what he lives to protect. Like Bane says, Batman isn't afraid of death so his punishment must be more severe. The Bane origin story is a device to give Batman motivation and hope, because without hope his imprisonment would mean nothing. That's why the prisoners got to see a glimpse of the sky in that pit.
Because Batman wasn't afraid of his own death, he needed to be offered a chance to escape. Bane didn't think he actually would/could do it.

Reminded me a bit of DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE.
 
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I was thinking, well they have rope. Why not just lasso that last big stone and climb the rope out of there? Why the jump?
 
Which also begs the question...

When he finally made it out, there was a rope waiting at the top that he dropped down to the others, so they could get out. You mean to tell me in the months, years others were stuck down there, no one else tried to set them free with this simple solution?
 
They were locked in cages. The guy said the prison doctor forgot to lock the cage door.
I'm assuming the whole idea of the escape possibilities were very guarded, probably by the same people who payed for the satellite reception so Bruce could watch TV.

The guy also says it's Banes prison now, so maybe it's used by the league of shadows?
 
That still makes no sense. If they were heavily guarded, what's the point of him dropping the rope down to them at the end?
 
Maybe they wanted it back? Was there an explicit shot of him doing that? I've seen the film twice now, once yesterday, I don't remember him even dropping it down to them.
 
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Maybe they wanted it back? Was there an explicit shot of him doing that? I've seen the film twice now, once yesterday, I don't remember him even dropping it down to them.
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Yes, he drops the rope down to them, ostensibly to help them escape.

What I gathered from the film (I've seen it twice now) was that it was a prison, probably kept actual criminals in it at one point, but now it was more of a political prison kind of deal. We don't see the kind of people that would have been responsible for killing Talia's mother and bashing Bane's face in. Now it's a lot of older men and people who probably crossed Bane/Talia/The League of Shadows.
 
the dark night is action movie . I like this movie . First time i watch this movie with my friend in theater . This movie's story line are awesome ..............
 
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