The catastrophy we dont want to happen with the firmware!!

Kholi said:
Beachtek is supposedly not so hot for useage. Is it better now?
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I dunno but as I'm ex-DJ and ex-beat maker the thought of 'inaudible' tones in my audio gives me the chills.
Plus with no xlr output the device will have little resale value once future model cams ship without AGC.
A zoom H4 will be useful in any setup, even if its just as backup audio.
 
Thanks for the PluralEyes link...that is EXACTLY what I've been looking for!

I feel like a dork...I've been double system recording with my HVX200 since the beginning! Even with onboard audio and Wireless mics...just seems a bulletproof way to get perfect audio (and not having to ride (audio) levels while shooting video:))> Albeit, the one caveat until the H4n which I got this summer...the loss of timing on these portable "solutions." The H4n fixes that though. Just finished a 78 minute (gross length) edit...I was 1 frame off on audio with the Zoom;) Perfect!

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Loic said:
When you get a Peak at what HDSLR can do, you cannot go back to regular Video cameras.
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...I hate to tell you this (and I'm going to stop after this, because I've already acknowledged that these cameras are not the best for every situation), but 'what it can do' depends partly on the time you have available to set up and light or plan your shots.

For what you say you want to do - grab fast-moving targets for documentary/news purposes - it's not going to give you more gorgeous results than a good pro camcorder. I mean, you say you don't have time to run a slate when you've got the lead singer of a band in front of your lens for 60 seconds, but in that situation you don't have time to measure your focus or exposure properly either and you'll probably get better material with autofocus and 80% zebra on another camera - not to mention the inevitable 'wait, I thought you were shooting video'/'it is a video camera, amazing what they can do these days' conversation.

I'm not saying don't use it, I'm not saying don't keep looking for good solutions to onboard audio and so on...but it really sounds as if these cameras are not ideal for your shooting needs, and that you're attributing the problems which you will likely encounter to the camera design rather than your decision about which tool to use.

You're talking about very reactive, behind-the-scenes type shooting where you have very little control or think time, and context and subject are all-important. A camcorder sounds way better for you, and even with HDSLRs the GH1 looks like a much better choice.
 
Don't want to be a spoil sport, but I think it's presumptuous to think that you are going to see magic lantern on this camera any time soon. Maybe yea maybe nea.

As far as I know the ML firmware for the 5D is coming mainly from one person. What make you all think he is even getting a 7D? He has the 5D project and a full time job. How much time do you think one person is willing to work for free?

If others are doing it, maybe a better chance, but as the old teachers used to say, never assume anything, only makes an ass outa u and me.
 
Magic Lantern is open source. Anyone with the skills can have a shot at a 7D port. If 350 7D owners chipped in 5$ in a paypal donation account, Tramm Hudson could get a 7D for "free".

The biggest problem is that they need at least 1 official firmware release from Canon to have a look at how to use the firmware update mechanism to bootstrap their own code.

That's the big question mark.

I wouldn't suggest buying any camera on the hopes that a hacked firmware will come out. But my guess is that we'll probably see Magic Lantern (or something like it) for the 7D during the useful lifetime of the camera.

Two months after release? six months? a year? who knows.


-X
 
There is a lot of wisdom on this board! I fell of my chair with gh1 at first but mud and AGC kept me cold. Now 7D is manual focus and AGC... Damn! This revolution thing with HDSLR is not easy to deal with.
 
Its interesting. The DSLRs are, in some ways, a step back to film. You've got about 12 mins per mag. No sound in the camera. No autofocus (for Canon).
 
Tramm Hudson will be working on it I'm sure, but so will many others, the 7D community will be huge. If the 7D firmware is close enough to the 5D, maybe they don't need a firmware update. Here's to hoping there is a little bug in the camera that Canon needs to fix.
 
NoxNoctus said:
What? There's not many film cameras that print sound to the film I think...
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Ironically, one of the few that does was manufactured by...guess who?

You can also find old 16mm newsreel cameras on eBay that do the same thing, recording sound onto a magnetic strip at the edge of the film, but nobody makes that kind of film any more. Theoretically you could record the sound optically but I'm not aware of any camera that did this, though I'd love to know if there are.
 
Eddy Robinson said:
Ironically, one of the few that does was manufactured by...guess who?
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There were lots and lots of Super8 cameras that recorded sound. The Canon 1014XLS and 814XLS and 514XLS, the Chinon Pacific lines, lots of them. Sound was quite common in the Super8 world.

But sound film hasn't been made for decades. There was a bit of a rush on the last few rolls on ebay years ago...

You can also find old 16mm newsreel cameras on eBay that do the same thing, recording sound onto a magnetic strip at the edge of the film, but nobody makes that kind of film any more. Theoretically you could record the sound optically but I'm not aware of any camera that did this, though I'd love to know if there are.
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The Auricons recorded optical sound. Auricons were actually pretty cool, they're very quiet, they have sync motors (not crystal-sync, but synchronized to the power line frequency), they could record optical sound, and they're very cheap. The downside to them is that they're AC-powered, not battery-powered, and they're heavier than the cast of The Biggest Loser. It's like they're cast from solid lead or something... and you don't get reflex viewing unless you use a "dogleg" reflex lens, typically a coke-bottle Angenieux or Som Berthiot.
 
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