The Azden shotgun/boom mic with changable heads

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scottfs, I know where you're coming from but I think you have to take the good with the bad so to speak. You're coming onto a board with professionals and asking questions. You want top notch advice and you're getting it. Otherwise, you'd be over on the kiddie board with people who don't know the difference between good sound and crap. These guys are going to give you PRO answers. That's why I read this board. But like me, you need to filter through and decide what fits your need and your budget.

Btw, I'm just like you. I do this for fun and absolutely NO pay. In fact, I might have to pay someone just to do work for them (that's about my level of quality). But I do enjoy learning about the craft and these guys have a lot to offer. Me, I listened to Chadfish's comparision of shotgun mics and hypercardoid mics boomed indoors and I'm slightly embarrased to say, I couldn't tell the difference with my eyes closed. That tells me I'm not ready for that level of differentiation. I'll stick with a quality shotgun indoors until I can hear the difference. Now the pros won't do that, but I'm happy with it and until I can tell the difference, I'm just wasting money.

I think the most important thing mentioned on this thread (in my noob opinion) is the "law of diminishing returns". At the lower levels (cost-wise), you can get a lot of bang for your buck by upgrading, or as Chad says, waiting to buy. As you go up in price, each new price jump gives you slightly better quality that not many outside of professionals can discern. The one thing I will tell you about quality audio equipment though is it holds it's value over long periods of time, sometimes decades. It's a whole different world than the video side, where the latest and greatest sensor makes your stuff obsolete after 2-3 years. So if you do spend a little more than you wanted to, you can expect the value to remain OR you can offload the gear for a very good price.

I've done a single doc project and really enjoyed the process. But I realized that sound, on docs, is even more important than pretty pictures. This time around, my sound equipment will be MORE important than my video equipment.

Best of luck to you.
 
Guys... I wasn't expecting to start a flame war with a simple question...

But I do appreciate the varied input.

As it stands right now, we are a new company and the rode SM4 suspension shock mount, Rode bp 10' boom pole, NTG-2 microphone sounds like a pretty good deal. I am planning on saving up for a shure SM89 boom mic, which is from my experience, a very good, clean mic.

But this Rode NTG-2 will serve me well for local low budget work, and when I get the money, as an on camera shotgun for ambiance mixed with the shure or as a backup.

Thanks for the recommendation guys!

Is this correct?
 
...As it stands right now, we are a new company and the rode SM4 suspension shock mount, Rode bp 10' boom pole, NTG-2 microphone sounds like a pretty good deal. I am planning on saving up for a shure SM89 boom mic, which is from my experience, a very good, clean mic.

But this Rode NTG-2 will serve me well for local low budget work,...
Is this correct?

I'd say those are good choices for a budget kit, however I would suggest looking at the Rycote Invision 7 lyre suspension as an alternative to the SM4 mount. Only about $15 more and far superior isolation to elastic bands.

The Shure mic seems pretty specialized for an all around boom mic. Shorter 'guns are more often use for dialog booming. You might want to consider other options when you get to the point of upgrading.
 
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however I would suggest looking at the Rycote Invision 7 lyre suspension as an alternative to the SM4 mount. Only about $15 more and far superior isolation to elastic bands.

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Yes - the Rycote lyres are the best there are - I have changed all my shockmounts over to Rycote lyres now.
 
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Yes - the Rycote lyres are the best there are - I have changed all my shockmounts over to Rycote lyres now.

I know you're a rycote fan boy but is it possible to add "in your opinion" to posts like this?

Not trying to start a flame battle but such a subjective opinion presented as fact time and time again
can really mislead new comers.

I"m not saying the lyre isn't a good mount, but there are quite a few that do the job wonderfully out there.
 
I know you're a rycote fan boy but is it possible to add "in your opinion" to posts like this?

Not trying to start a flame battle but such a subjective opinion presented as fact time and time again
can really mislead new comers.

I"m not saying the lyre isn't a good mount, but there are quite a few that do the job wonderfully out there.


Ya I've actually been coming here since 2008 or so, when I got my Hvx-200. But I mostly searched and learned. So I'm not a super newcomer, I'm just new to owning my own business and not having available studio equipment.
 
OK, you all play rough. I'm embarrassed to admit that it took me a while to realize that this board pretty much for and run by professionals in the business, and sometimes they don't suffer newcomers gladly.

The 'kiddies' boards do leave something to be desired. That's why I am here. I do want to have the best-sounding kit that fits my budget (and I know that pretty much everyone has a budget). I had searched on other boards before getting my mic (before I came here). Maybe I was steered wrong. But I do want to hear opinions, or I wouldn't be here.

But no matter how experienced I was, I'd still be respectful to the newest of the newbies. But that's just the way I am. Others

This smacks of the stuff I experienced when I spent every penny getting my sound system together. Those people are even worse than those here. A budget turntable in their frame of reference is like $1200. And the good stuff is $4000 or so. Ouch!

My wife would not approve. She is not very happy I've spent as much as I have on equipment as it is now :)


Chad, you are just the chosen one. I'd start looking over your shoulder and change the pin number on your cell phone.

And for anyone else new to the DVXuser audio board, it plays a little rough here sometimes, and I am glad it does. People here give there honest opinion and sometimes folks just don't want to hear it. Others get offended because they don't get there personal gear choices stroked with praise.

Grant
 
scottfs,

You are wrong about this board "not suffering newcomers gladly". But if you come with an attitude about the existing members, that is a different scenario.

I try to contribute about the equipment I use, and gladly step aside when I am out of my knowledge base. Chad has given his opinion for your benefit, but for whatever reason, you have been apimple on his ass ever since. I am surprised the mods haven't asked you to tone it down; folks have been banned for less. The line not to cross is when it becomes personal, stay on topic whichis equipment and technique. I am personally thankful everyday for the many pro audio folks who have answered my questions and helped me for the last several years.

Peace,
Grant
 
I'm a newb. But that simply means that as a newb it is my obligation to learn as much as I can on my own, through reading books and monitoring boards like this - before I ask too many questions. Only if I've exhausted all resources on my own, do I feel like it's OK to ask a question on the board. That's for three reasons 1)there will be fewer questions, thus a less cluttered board 2)I'll be in a better position to ask a sensible question, 3)I'll be in a position to understand the answer and put the answer in context as to whether that's opinion of a responder or a fact. When pros have to keep answering the same basic questions over and over again, it discourages responses because it seems like the asker is too lazy to find out basic things on their own, instead, you should ask a pro questions which are hard to find answers to on their own - that's a better use of their time. Being a newb is not a license to be lazy - as they say, if you are looking for a helping hand, look first at the end of your own arm. As is right now, I'm going to refrain from too many questions about gear - what use is it to ask about the gear, when the biggest impact is in the operator... and I know too little right now to even ask the right questions. At the moment, I'm reading a book recommended by a person on this board: Producing Great Sound for Film & Video 3rd Ed. by Jay Rose. After I'm done with the reading, my idea is to hire a sound pro for a day for their full daily rate, just to show me a few practical things, and so I can ask a few questions... you can learn quite a bit in a few hours :)

And not to worry about harsh opinions - I like 'em. I'd rather be told - even harshly - about my shortcomings or the shortcomings of my equipment, than for someone to hold their punches, because it's the truth I'm after. Like on any board, you'll quickly find who are the helpful and knowledgable people, however harsh their opinions. But also like on any board, there'll be some who may have all the knowledge in the world, but who only generate noise - they don't actually offer any help, no matter how politely you ask, instead, they take a question as another excuse to rant about how inadequate the newb is... to me, that's a person to ignore, because I don't mind being told I'm inadequate, even harshly (I am after all a newb), as long as I'm also offered genuine information I can use - if the only "contribution" of a pro is to rant, with zero factual info at the end, that's a "pro" I'm going to ignore (and there's always someone like that on every board, including here).
 
With all due respect, I have found people to be pretty nice. I have learned way more than I have been able to contribute (yet - hopefully I can add some value at some point). Chad has taken time to answer some of my PMs with nothing but enthusiasm and support. Yes, many of the senior people here have opinions because they are in the business and they have their preferences, but I have never thought they were being righteous, just more trying to save me (total noob) headaches. I am not here to say anyone started this or that, the thread is what it is - I won't try to figure out how we got here. But, I felt like I had to say something about the rough play, these people are nice, they are helpful, maybe they were having a day maybe you were having a day. Alan also has taken a lot time on PMs to support me. Gpforet answered a few of my questions on a back and forth on a thread about avantone mics. I am just naming a few nice people, there are a lot of nice people on here. Yes, they would appreciate it if we searched first before asking. BTW, I hate the search function on here, the best way to do it is to go your internet search engine (I use google) and I put it what I want to learn about and I also key in dvxuser. Anyway, enough of my rambling. And thanks to everyone's contribution.

OK, you all play rough. I'm embarrassed to admit that it took me a while to realize that this board pretty much for and run by professionals in the business, and sometimes they don't suffer newcomers gladly.

The 'kiddies' boards do leave something to be desired. That's why I am here. I do want to have the best-sounding kit that fits my budget (and I know that pretty much everyone has a budget). I had searched on other boards before getting my mic (before I came here). Maybe I was steered wrong. But I do want to hear opinions, or I wouldn't be here.

But no matter how experienced I was, I'd still be respectful to the newest of the newbies. But that's just the way I am. Others

This smacks of the stuff I experienced when I spent every penny getting my sound system together. Those people are even worse than those here. A budget turntable in their frame of reference is like $1200. And the good stuff is $4000 or so. Ouch!

My wife would not approve. She is not very happy I've spent as much as I have on equipment as it is now :)
 
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That SM89 is one of the the longest shotguns on the market too, at 20". That may present a problem. For most boom work, a short shotgun is appropriate. The long ones are for when your director wants a wider shot. Not that it won't sound fine. It just may need a special shock mount - guessing. PS I have some Rycote InVision Lyre stuff and I dig it.
 
I do follow the requests on this board and use the search function. That has helped quite a bit.

I, too, have read extensively on the subject before I even got here. I've read both of Jay Rose's books (production and post-production sound) and found it interesting, informative, and very, very helpful. I have probably 20 books on various aspects of filmmaking and related subjects. I realize I'll never be as solid and as talented as many on this board.

Asking questions is one way of gaining knowledge, and I obviously am doing that. Doing sound (or anything else) is a great way (the best way) to learn, but, since I'm helping out a bunch of newbies make the films of their dreams, I don't want to make mistakes when I'm doing the sound (or lights, or film slate, or script supervising, and so on).

So far, everyone I've worked on a film with has been great; patient, helpful, kind and so on. I want to repay with the best work I can do. And part of that is equipment.

I'm here to ask questions and learn; I wouldn't ask questions if I wasn't sincere.
 
Alright, folks. I've cleaned up in here.

Yes, the Audio forum seems to play rough at times, but that needs to be reeled in a bit. No hitting below the belt, no personal attacks, no insults. The OP's questions have been answered, and nothing else needs to be said here. For future reference, please consult the Forum Guidelines regarding conduct at DVXUser.
 
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