Test: XDCam EX filming a narrative (Life on the Set).
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ESTEBEVERDE
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I care what Philip does because I love his work and find it both beautiful and engaging.
Know what else.
Stephen Dempsey is an F'n artistic master with his XH A1!
If you are not capable of producing quality work that is both esthetically pleasing and moving on even a fundamental level with your HVX or whatever too bad to sad.
Get over it and Keep at it.
Case in point. Look at the Sta Volta short posted on the forum here.
Great sick twisted ride and beautifully shot.
Come on man... come on....
What's really bothering you?????
Is it like the guys who drive Ferrari thing? :laugh:
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ESTEBEVERDE
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I'm sorry, but it's well known the camera is not what makes it pro.
Lesser cams have made the big screen.
BIG TIME! :thumbsup:
philip bloom
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Cheers E,
Smaller "prosumer" cameras have been making award winning documentaries for years. The word is misleading and I know Sony would be very upset you calling an EX1 prosumer. It's made in the same factory as the HDCAM cameras, it has the same professional warranty and backup that all the shoulder mounted cameras have but more importantly...it shoots pictures that in my mind are indistinguishable from my F350. Yes, it is not shoulder mount, doesn't have big batteries and it will not replace my larger cameras but it has become an essential tool for me now and I have used it for broadcast work a lot recently. In fact if you live in Europe you can see it all next week on Sky News and in the UK also on Channel five at 7pm, the channel who commissioned me to make the shorts. I am very proud of these five religion shorts and I challenge anyone at home watching them to A: care and B: notice anything different!
When shooting docs smaller cameras often work better due to their size being less intimidating. The families I interviewed for the above series would not have been so relaxed had I had a massive rig with 3 lights, big camera, big matter box etc...When shooting abroad the EX1 really comes into it's own. So much easier to fly with and yet the compromise is minimal, lens not as long, batteries smaller (who cares) and not shoulder mounted. But I can travel incredibly light, have a light miller ds 20 tripod and still get the same beautiful pictures I get with my big uns!
With regards to who cares what I do... It's not about who cares what I do. I am not telling people to do something, far from it! I am here giving my advice from my own experience and at the same time learning and getting help from others. After all isn't that the whole point of these forums taormina?
Anyway...Merry Christmas!
Smaller "prosumer" cameras have been making award winning documentaries for years. The word is misleading and I know Sony would be very upset you calling an EX1 prosumer. It's made in the same factory as the HDCAM cameras, it has the same professional warranty and backup that all the shoulder mounted cameras have but more importantly...it shoots pictures that in my mind are indistinguishable from my F350. Yes, it is not shoulder mount, doesn't have big batteries and it will not replace my larger cameras but it has become an essential tool for me now and I have used it for broadcast work a lot recently. In fact if you live in Europe you can see it all next week on Sky News and in the UK also on Channel five at 7pm, the channel who commissioned me to make the shorts. I am very proud of these five religion shorts and I challenge anyone at home watching them to A: care and B: notice anything different!
When shooting docs smaller cameras often work better due to their size being less intimidating. The families I interviewed for the above series would not have been so relaxed had I had a massive rig with 3 lights, big camera, big matter box etc...When shooting abroad the EX1 really comes into it's own. So much easier to fly with and yet the compromise is minimal, lens not as long, batteries smaller (who cares) and not shoulder mounted. But I can travel incredibly light, have a light miller ds 20 tripod and still get the same beautiful pictures I get with my big uns!
With regards to who cares what I do... It's not about who cares what I do. I am not telling people to do something, far from it! I am here giving my advice from my own experience and at the same time learning and getting help from others. After all isn't that the whole point of these forums taormina?
Anyway...Merry Christmas!
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taormina
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OK - I'm going to say it.
The EX crowd pisses me off because they are all so defensive, as displayed in all the above posts. My original post was a direct response to someone talking about the HPX500.
Philip chimed in and stated the HPX wasn't all that much better than the 500, and ALL I SAID WAS THAT THE BUYERS OF 500s WERE MOST LIKELY PRO SHOOTERS BECAUSE OF THE FORM FACTOR.
Now this has become a discussion about whether pros can use prosumer cameras, and a bunch of chest pounders giving their suport to the argument that "lesser cams have made the big screen" which I totally agree with but had nothing to do with why I posted.
So what if Scorsese chooses to shoot the Departed 2 on an HV20. THe point is pro shooters look for pro features in a pro cam that neither the HVX or the EX have - that's why Panny makes the 500 and Sony makes the 350 - is that so hard to grasp?
The EX crowd pisses me off because they are all so defensive, as displayed in all the above posts. My original post was a direct response to someone talking about the HPX500.
Philip chimed in and stated the HPX wasn't all that much better than the 500, and ALL I SAID WAS THAT THE BUYERS OF 500s WERE MOST LIKELY PRO SHOOTERS BECAUSE OF THE FORM FACTOR.
Now this has become a discussion about whether pros can use prosumer cameras, and a bunch of chest pounders giving their suport to the argument that "lesser cams have made the big screen" which I totally agree with but had nothing to do with why I posted.
So what if Scorsese chooses to shoot the Departed 2 on an HV20. THe point is pro shooters look for pro features in a pro cam that neither the HVX or the EX have - that's why Panny makes the 500 and Sony makes the 350 - is that so hard to grasp?
philip bloom
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This was your original post. I was giving my opinion as i did not agree. I apologise to you if you think my opinion does not matter.
Am I defensive, no. I was standing up for the camera, yes. I own 2 full size "PRO" cameras. Also a JVC HD201, Z1, A1e, HV20 and EX1. I used to own an HVX and thought it too was superb. I also own three Super 8mm cameras. They have better colourspace than the HPX500 by the way. As an owner of an EX1 and F350 I think my opinion is pretty valid.
People come onto these forums for discussion and advice. I was discussing. Again apologies for doing that.
Is the EX1 the best thing since sliced bread? No. Is it best camera, like, ever? No. Is it my favourite small forum camera. Yes. Do I truly believe it can hold it's own against the 500. Yes, but the form factor is it's biggest downfall.
You way with words are quite confrontational and not really helpful to anyone.
Can we drop this now please Adam?
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Stevet
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Adam, please take note to this threads topic. It had NOTHING to do with the HPX500. It was YOU that trolled in on this topic with:
Thanks for having probably closed dxmetal's EX1 test thread which he spent a lot of time writing about. Ironically, I even mentioned the HPX was a great camera.
But somehow, we're all the EX crowd pissing you off! LOL
AGAIN, I could care less WHO makes the camera. If it satisfys your needs, it's probably good enough. No one is trying to sell you on the EX1.
Thanks for having probably closed dxmetal's EX1 test thread which he spent a lot of time writing about. Ironically, I even mentioned the HPX was a great camera.
But somehow, we're all the EX crowd pissing you off! LOL
AGAIN, I could care less WHO makes the camera. If it satisfys your needs, it's probably good enough. No one is trying to sell you on the EX1.
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philip bloom
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Cool thanks. If I could I would own every single camera out there. Every one has cool features.
I have been using the spx800 Recently. Nice camera but doesn't even have the over and undercrank of the HPX500 which is much cheaper. It's things like that which confuse punters and me! The picture is better but misses many features that it's cheaper siblings have.
I have been using the spx800 Recently. Nice camera but doesn't even have the over and undercrank of the HPX500 which is much cheaper. It's things like that which confuse punters and me! The picture is better but misses many features that it's cheaper siblings have.
philip bloom
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How have you been getting on DX?
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
Phil,
27 hours on the EX and it has never failed me yet (touch wood). I have owned and used a lot of prosumer cams in the past (dvx100b, hvx200, Xh-A1, XL2, XL-H1, Z1U (not mine), and the XdCam EX (baby Alta to me
) is definitely the ONE.
p/s: This is my first Sony and I used to think Sony doesnt really want the prosumer narrative film maker s' business.
27 hours on the EX and it has never failed me yet (touch wood). I have owned and used a lot of prosumer cams in the past (dvx100b, hvx200, Xh-A1, XL2, XL-H1, Z1U (not mine), and the XdCam EX (baby Alta to me
) is definitely the ONE. p/s: This is my first Sony and I used to think Sony doesnt really want the prosumer narrative film maker s' business.
Stevet
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Thanks dxmetal for sharing your thoughts, frames and footage!
At a risk of sounding over done, the more I use the EX1, I'm just blown away with the high rez low noise image. It's definately in another class than my previous cameras, for sure.
Now, If I can get my hands on one of those Cineform portable recorders!
At a risk of sounding over done, the more I use the EX1, I'm just blown away with the high rez low noise image. It's definately in another class than my previous cameras, for sure.
Now, If I can get my hands on one of those Cineform portable recorders!