themartist
Active member
make the video full screen and look again.
Then read below, he says that all these mud issues are displayed on his clip even though he shot it at 720p.
Talent versus 'mud, jello and banding'
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make the video full screen and look again.
Then read below, he says that all these mud issues are displayed on his clip even though he shot it at 720p.
themartist
Active member
The terms mud and jello are perfectly self explanatory.
MUD....
JELLO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qC0_nIUq9s
BhambuNath
Well-known member
All I know is that even if the GH1 is the last camera that I will ever own, I'll be a happy camper shooting my movies with it...
tflak
Veteran
I meant to say that a lot if not all of these problems can not be solved by shooting 720 - and should have added in scenes like these.
Unfortunately, I got the GH1 to primarily shoot in places like this. There are other spots in this clip where the mud is maybe even worse, but less noticeable because attention is drawn to the foreground - as in the part with close shots of goldenrod. As themartist indicated, this could be alleviated with a shallower DOF. I was just fooling around with the camera here.
Am I disappointed? Yes. But I'll find workarounds. And luckily, almost all my stuff is destined for the Web. So there are many cases where either movement or a viewer's focus on the area of primary interest would allow some mud to slip by unnoticed. That said, I sure wouldn't use this clip in a situation where it could be made full-screen.
Unfortunately, I got the GH1 to primarily shoot in places like this. There are other spots in this clip where the mud is maybe even worse, but less noticeable because attention is drawn to the foreground - as in the part with close shots of goldenrod. As themartist indicated, this could be alleviated with a shallower DOF. I was just fooling around with the camera here.
Am I disappointed? Yes. But I'll find workarounds. And luckily, almost all my stuff is destined for the Web. So there are many cases where either movement or a viewer's focus on the area of primary interest would allow some mud to slip by unnoticed. That said, I sure wouldn't use this clip in a situation where it could be made full-screen.
Barry_Green
Moderator
That is something I look forward to testing and verifying. I don't know that anyone's done any conclusive testing of that yet.
Interesting...maybe I'll slap the FD adapter on and see if 1080p 24p has issues with mud with my FD primes.
"http://vimeo.com/6198539
If anyone is interested in more boring footage of plants, fences and cars, take a look!
My 35mm cine lenses absolutely scream on this incredible camera; I am truly ecstatic for the future of this format, and can't wait to see what comes next!"
This was posted by Kevin Cartwright a few months ago, I remember it because I was really impressed by the beauty and quality of the footage, I cannot see any mud but I would like to hear what you think about it.
If anyone is interested in more boring footage of plants, fences and cars, take a look!
My 35mm cine lenses absolutely scream on this incredible camera; I am truly ecstatic for the future of this format, and can't wait to see what comes next!"
This was posted by Kevin Cartwright a few months ago, I remember it because I was really impressed by the beauty and quality of the footage, I cannot see any mud but I would like to hear what you think about it.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Try to do a controlled environment where you can exactly replicate the shot and the motion, so the only variable is what lens you have on.... that will tell us a lot about whether the stock lens influences the mud or not.
tflak
Veteran
He has a shallow DOF which definitely helps with mud. However, you can see mud in his tilt up in the part where the truck drives by.
John Caballero
Veteran
Sure.
Park Edwards
Veteran
definitely can. i want to think it's the encoding for web, but probably not seeing how it didn't do it anywhere else. bummer. but not too worried about it. seems controllable.
Yeah, I'll do some tests and see what I can come up with.
Yes, you are right, there is some mud there but to me it seems less than what you would get with the stock lens. I look forward to the tests.
commanderspike
Carbonite Member
I haven't done any lab tests but speaking from experience, the mud issue does occur more often when the kit lens is attached, than when I'm using primes. The only thing to do is to try it yourself and see which works best for you.
Ben_B
Veteran
It's possible it's more noticeable with the kit lens since a lot of the shots people are getting with the kit are shots they're not getting with their primes IE wide, deep depth of field, handheld shots, that would be very difficult on most fast primes with the 2x crop factor.
I use my kit mostly for run and gun (this can cause problems) as a telephoto lens for some narrative work, and as a wide angle.
I bet if you gave someone the kit and only let them use it at 140mm and open you wouldn't see quite so much mud with it because your shooting style would change...you'd be getting shallower DOF tripod stuff...you're not gonna be swinging a 140mm (well, 280mm) around handheld, and the DOF will be shallower....so basically what I'm saying is that even if it's the lens, it's the type of shooting you're doing with it (which you are probably totally right to be doing) that is causing mud...I know the kinds of shots I use my kit for are the kind that will be more prone to mud.
I use my kit mostly for run and gun (this can cause problems) as a telephoto lens for some narrative work, and as a wide angle.
I bet if you gave someone the kit and only let them use it at 140mm and open you wouldn't see quite so much mud with it because your shooting style would change...you'd be getting shallower DOF tripod stuff...you're not gonna be swinging a 140mm (well, 280mm) around handheld, and the DOF will be shallower....so basically what I'm saying is that even if it's the lens, it's the type of shooting you're doing with it (which you are probably totally right to be doing) that is causing mud...I know the kinds of shots I use my kit for are the kind that will be more prone to mud.
