Superman

lboyce said:
I just saw the movie again this morning for the second time and have no idea what you guys are talking about. Didn't notice any "Bad makeup" or "bad skin". I thought it all looked amazing. The movie just blew me away. Every last bit of it.
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When was the last time you had your eyes checked? :nads:


;)
 
me thinks you are blinded by the hype then ;)

I do plan on seeing it at least one more time digitally projected. Perhaps at the Chinese...

I am watching the original right now...I will admit Singer does an uncanny job making Returns feel just likes Donner's 70's version.
 
And as I am sitting here watching the original I am realizing they literally took a TON of the exact same dialogue and out it in the new movie...not sure how I feel about that...omage or blatant rip off?
 
Saw it for the fifth time tonight. Still no sign of bad makeup. Still brilliant. I'm desperately in love with this movie.
 
I won't post my review of the movie here as it's not appropriate to this forum (besides which, lboyce would probably have me lynched), but as far as the visual quality of the "film" is concerned, I think it's one of the best looking movies I've ever seen. It's unbelievably clean (even as far as digital goes - I think the Genesis looks remarkably superior to everything else I've seen shot with the Viper), the colors are great, and the low light stuff looked stellar. If you're a fan of film grain, don't go see Superman Returns.

As far as the "makeup" issue, I wasn't aware of it being a big deal on anyone except Brandon (and even then, it didn't look like "caked on makeup" to me as much as some sort of plasticy digital touch up). I didn't care for it at all. I also wasn't aware that his eyes were color corrected in post, because it looked to me like he was wearing fake contacts the entire time. I guess the digital process ended up looking the same. Either way, neither the weird appearance of his skin or the fake look of his eyes have anything to do with what the Genesis was capable of, and I must say that in that regard, I was handily impressed.
 
Hey Haakon-

I haven't seen it yet, but I'll check it out.

On another note, what an awesome California license plate - "I DO 24P". How did you score that? Way cool...

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I hear it's not a make up issue. Brandon Routh is actually made of plastic. They had to touch him up with computers to make him look more flesh-like, not the other way around. (But they could only touch up his acting so much.)

And yet that didn't stop the movie from completely ruling. God bless you, Bryan Singer.

And yes, the Genesis performed gorgeously. There was only one night shot (when he's dropping the girl off at the hospital) that I was aware of some digital grain. But that could just be a crappy Delaware print...
 
Brandon did say in an interview that he had to wear contacts for the blue eyes. I remember because he said they kind of hurt.
 
Superman was ok as far as the movie goes, way too quiet moments.

As far as the look, I saw it at Mann's Village where it was digitally projected.

It wasn't bad, some scenes looked better than other scenes.

Overall it was still lacking in the contrast range. A characteristic I see in all HD films is a grayish "veil" over the image.


Since this is still the beginning of HD for studio films, there will be more room for improvement
 
Thomas Mathai said:
Superman was ok as far as the movie goes, way too quiet moments.

As far as the look, I saw it at Mann's Village where it was digitally projected.

It wasn't bad, some scenes looked better than other scenes.

Overall it was still lacking in the contrast range. A characteristic I see in all HD films is a grayish "veil" over the image.


Since this is still the beginning of HD for studio films, there will be more room for improvement
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Actually, Scary Movie 4 and Click beat Superman to the big screen...both also shot with the Genesis...I recently learned all this.

Anyway, I saw it again tonight at the Mann's Chinese.

The Digital Projection looked much better as I knew it would. I still have some hang ups. My friend who was seeing it for the first time had the same complaints about Routh looking like plastic, and some of the make up (mainly on Parker Posey) just looking bad.

We both want to see Click for some comparision.

Overall, I enjoyed the movie a lot more this time, mainly because I re-watched the original...but again, some hangups.
 
I was slightly underwhelmed by the look of the Genesis. Was expecting more of an improvement from the previoius panavision camera. I still saw the same, slightly pastelish quality to the colors, not quite as much color range as film. I think what people are seeing as bad make-up is this. Flesh tones appear as one solid color rather than a subtle gradation. And the blacks seemed to drop off to pure black much quicker than with film. The cinematography itself was gorgeous, but for me, it was too pretty. It gave everything a fake, backlot sheen...I've posted my thoughts on the film elsewhere on this message board. The short version -- I was bored for long stretches of this film, and not because there wasn't any 'splodo on screen. There just wasn't anything of interest going on.
 
There is a great article in this month's American Cinematographer about Superman. Thomas Newton Sigel, ASC even talks about the vertical line problem amongst everything else.
 
goldyprog said:
Does anyone know of other projects (movies, commercials, music videos?) that have also been shot with the Genesis?
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Just to complete the list - and I really dunny which ones have already been mentioned - here are some feature films shot with the genesis:

Flyboys
La Maison du Bonheur
Scary Movie 4
Click
Apocalypto
Emty City
Grind House
A Tiger's Tale
Deja Vu
Next
The Lookout
The Ferryman

And some TV stuff:

Night Stalker
Conviction
What About Brian
Faceless
In Case Of Emergency
Brothers & Sisters
52 Fights
Protégé

("THE FIRST YEAR - 8 COUNTRIES - 4 CONTINENTS - 1 LEADER - PANAVISION GENESIS" .... well, o-k, but, uhm - NO RED!!!!)
 
in regards to the blacks, in this months AC - Siegel talks about the extended range in the blacks for HD and he estimated about a 1/2 to 1 full stop lower in the highlights as opposed to film. HE also said he crushed his blacks in post to increase his contrast as the Genesis gave him even more detail in the blacks than he anticipated.
 
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