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I believe i have uploaded successfully, but this is the first time, so I am unsure how to tell that the upload worked. I saw my files in the FTP folder, but do they play through, etc? AHHH I am stressing out!
 
hmmmm half scale... I have a section that drops out a little when small because of compression. The scene has a ton of 1 pixel particles and when compressed too much they just disappear.
 
I just PMed Jarred and asked if we couldl have
480X320 for letterbox within 4:3
480X270 for cropped 16X9
and
480X202 for 2.35:1
EDIT: We call it 4:3 because we watch it on / it plays back correctly on 4:3 monitors.



480 is the industry standard for large trailers and as long as the file size is under the 40ish MB limit - it shouldn't matter unless theirs some flash or streaming window or something that it will foul up. But if we are downloading it shouldn't matter.

I liked it in Zombie fest when there was just a file size limit, not a video size, so you could compensate for issues like that.

You need the extra resolution.

Someone else might have artifacting problems and want a smaller file.

Also we'll look like postage stamps next to teh HVX files, lol.

We'll see what the big man says. :)
 
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but 4:3 isn't accurate actually -- thats a 640 X 480 file which is NTSC 4:3

We really have NTSC 3:2 (720 X 480)
So halfsacle of (320 X 240) doesn't equal 4:3 either, but 3:2

So 3:2 (720 X 480) scales down to 480 X 320, not 360.

If you open Quicktime 7 for example and just change 720 to 480 with the maintain aspect ratio checked it will pop down to 480 X 320.

So if you just set the vertical size to 480, it will take care of itself in most instances. You only have to get our your caclulater if you want to crop to 16X9 or 2.35:1
 
Does anyone else think that it might be a little unfair to have 720p HVX films competing with 320p DVX films? I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining, but why do the DVX films have to shrink their size, when they're already so much smaller? I know there's bandwidth concerns and all that, but shouldn't HVX types have to play by the same rules? At least it'd be more fair to let the DVX people take advantage of the 40MB in the way they choose.
 
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MikeZas said:
Does anyone else think that it might be a little unfair to have 720p HVX films competing with 320p DVX films? I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining, but why do the DVX films have to shrink their size, when they're already so much smaller? I know there's bandwidth concerns and all that, but shouldn't HVX types have to play by the same rules? At least it'd be more fair to let the DVX people take advantage of the 40MB in the way they choose.
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Yeah, the thought crossed my mind. If anything it sets the videos apart and says, "this was made with an HVX, and that with a DVX" from the get go. That ain't cool. It's almost like class basketball or something. I think it would be neat to have everyone on the same level playing field. The HVXers are already going to have an advantage when it comes to color sampling 4:2:2 vs 4:1:1 right? Now resolution too?

I'm just saying it would be neat to go from film to film not knowing what camera was used really. It would be neat to see a DVX film and wonder "Wow that looked so good, I wonder if that dude was using an HVX?!" instead of a dramatic jump in resolution beating it into your head from file to file. Get it?

Oh well, no biggie I guess. It just seems a little odd.
 
I do agree too... I think the aspect ratio size of the films should all be the same, regardless of if it was DVX or HVX.
 
But then people might mistake the dvx footage as sucky footage if there is a visual difference with the same compression. The DVX might look all smeary compared to the HVX at the same compression.
 
Aram Bauman said:
But then people might mistake the dvx footage as sucky footage if there is a visual difference with the same compression. The DVX might look all smeary compared to the HVX at the same compression.
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I don't think so. If your shots were rigged up nicely you should be fine. I mean there would be differences, but a beautifully lit and composed shot on a DVX vs a low quality shot on the HVX... you would think the DVX footage was way better.
 
Noct said:
I don't think so. If your shots were rigged up nicely you should be fine. I mean there would be differences, but a beautifully lit and composed shot on a DVX vs a low quality shot on the HVX... you would think the DVX footage was way better.
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Exactamundo...My DVX100b original Quicktime Compressed file was a 720x480 beauty under 40 mb. Who knows...maybe everyone will like this "All the same size" idea and I will get to use it. Oh well though. If not, at least we have been able to go to 480x320. I look forward to seeing all of your films!
 
you guys... your talking about SD and HD.. the HVX is a HD camera and the DVX is a SD camera.. you cant try and lock them into the same size, its just how it is, sorry guys, and everyone shooting SD needs to understand that its the way the world is turning... SD resolution just cant compete with HD resolution. HVX guys are out there shooting in HD, editing in HD and outputing to HD, so it would be unfair for them to knock it down to SD resolutions.

Dont worry though, if we have all learned something, resolution doesnt have alot to do with determining the winner.
 
Jarred Land said:
Dont worry though, if we have all learned something, resolution doesnt have alot to do with determining the winner.
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We'll have more proof of that when my film wins this contest!!!! :grin: :sticking-tongue-out-smilie: :evil:
 
Jarred Land said:
you guys... your talking about SD and HD.. the HVX is a HD camera and the DVX is a SD camera.. you cant try and lock them into the same size, its just how it is, sorry guys, and everyone shooting SD needs to understand that its the way the world is turning... SD resolution just cant compete with HD resolution. HVX guys are out there shooting in HD, editing in HD and outputing to HD, so it would be unfair for them to knock it down to SD resolutions.

Dont worry though, if we have all learned something, resolution doesnt have alot to do with determining the winner.
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but 720p is the very definition of SD that the HD's ultimately being rendered down to. I'm a bit confused. Why not let the DVX stuff stay in its original state at 720p? Are you just saying that because they shot in HD, edited in HD, they need a leg up in resolution over us ancient and archaic SD users? ( I guess I just wasted 3+ grand on a rusty old clunker, whew I feel good! :grin:)

The SD vs HD argument can't apply. It's more like SD vs SSD (sub standard definition).

My gripe is mainly about breaking rhythm from film to film by seeing them distinctly in two separate resolutions. I don't think resolution will matter when it comes to winning. It will enter unnecessary thoughts in the viewers head.

It's still not that big of a deal personally. I just can't figure out the logic. I'm happy with 480p. I'm just idealistic by nature.
 
Just to follow up, I think this is a great thing that's being done here. That's a given. It's organized very well and an incredible opportunity to show off our visions, get to know each other better and just solidify the community. That's where I stand.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get that warm fuzzy feeling like it's Christmas eve? :grin:
 
every time Aarron ... everytime ...
*gets misty*
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Only thing fuzzy right now are my eyes. I'm no stranger to late nights, but I've pulled to many in a row lately. We just finalized the sound mix as much as we could and I'm exporting from FCP now. That bar has a long arse way to go. There are so many things that I wish I had time to change, but what can I say, we have learned more than I can even begin to express.

As for the SD vs. HD, if my mind is working correctly right now... It seems that their should either be two separate categories or one category for all of equal res. Probably not a good idea for this time around... just too late in the game.

But what the hell, all I know is that I owe a big thanks to all those that put this together and I'm glad I stuck it out.
:dankk2:
 
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