Stuff takes time

B

Barry_Green

Moderator
Was googling around to see if I could find anything on an XLH2 being leaked, and I came across this post on another forum:

If you are into the Canon thing, wait until NAB 2007 for Canon to anounce the solid state XLH2.
Click to expand...

That post was made April 26, 2006. Over three and a half years ago.

Seems surreal, doesn't it? :) People were already anticipating a solid-state XLH2 three and a half years ago (and, of course, are still waiting today for anything like it).

Scarlet was announced at NAB 2008. That's one and a half years ago. And we still have a month to go before we find out what it even *is*, much less when it will come out and what it will cost (Nov. 30 announcement).

I throw this out there to hopefully help folks attain a sense of perspective and perhaps re-inject some patience into their wait. Stuff doesn't happen overnight. Clamoring for something doesn't make it appear.

I have no doubt that a large-sensor Canon is coming (although I seriously doubt it'll be called the XLH2, since it likely won't use the XL lens mount, as that was designed for 1/3" lenses). I have no doubt Panasonic will build something, and that the Scarlet will appear. I just think that folks should get used to the idea that while it might be soon, it might also be a while. We're all gonna have to be okay with that.

In the meantime, there are plenty of fine products available today for us to hone our skills on.

I hear folks saying they're going to wait for the Scarlet, or for an XLH2, or a pro-version GH1 (HMX100) or whatever, before they make their movie. Okay, fine -- wait before committing to the movie. But what are you doing between now and then? Twiddling your thumbs? That's crazy. Get something, even if it's just a GH1 or a 7D or an HMC40, and get shooting. Don't make your feature-film opus, fine, but shoot and shoot and shoot now. That way when the Scarlet or XLH2 or HMX100 or whatever comes out, you'll be THAT MUCH BETTER and able to take advantage of all those super-duper features you were waiting on.

Terry Pratchett said:
If you trust in yourself...

... and believe in your dreams...

... and follow your star...

... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.*
Click to expand...

Tonight MonsterFest opens. Let's see what you folks have done!


-Terry Pratchett, "The Wee Free Men"
 
Amen to that Barry...

I'm so sick of movies for some being all about the equipment, what a bunch of crap. Remember those good old days where almost everyone here was "Ugh I can't make a movie until I get my DVX and 24p!" and now it's "Ugh I can't until I get my 2k RAW and blah blah"

funny how things go isn't it.
 
KyleProhaska said:
Amen to that Barry...

I'm so sick of movies for some being all about the equipment, what a bunch of crap. Remember those good old days where almost everyone here was "Ugh I can't make a movie until I get my DVX and 24p!" and now it's "Ugh I can't until I get my 2k RAW and blah blah"

funny how things go isn't it.
Click to expand...

Oh whatever. You're just saying that because you went out and shot a feature with what was available instead of waiting for the next big thing.

>P Hehe .
 
Yep, I for one have been looking at what all the new companies are coming out with. I'm surprised to see an SLR from Panasonic. I figured they would've been the first to do a prosumer camera with interchangeable lens. But the fact is, if you can't shoot and make something great, with the amount of stuff that's already out, getting the latest new toy won't help either.

-Nate
 
Last edited:
Spent part of this weekend watching some really, really bad horror films. (NOT MonsterFest. :) ) Everything that was wrong with them had nothing to do with the camera that was used.
 
I agree with the sentiment of this thread and will therefore change my signature with another concisely witty quote. Hmm, what rhymes with "witty"?... :)

Trust a man who knows... stuff, and things... take time.
 
Ryan Paige said:
I agree with the sentiment you're espousing, but I also think that it's normal to be frustrated and a little pissed off in the days following what has been something of a let-down for a lot of people.
Click to expand...

This sentiment, (and this is not directed at you, Ryan - just inspired a thought) is crazy to me. So many people seem to be disappointed with whatever company they are waiting for the perfect camera from. Why?

I see it most with the wait for the next generation of RED cameras. Why are people angry? It's not like you have given these companies anything. There are cameras out there already that will allow you to put your idea on a screen. GO DO IT.
 
It's funny, a lot of people who've seen my work comment on how good it looks, and I still shoot with the DVX100. That's the DVX100, the old shcool OG original DVX, not the a or b. But generally I get comments on the quality of the story and content, and I intend to keep it that way. It may not be HD, but I still love the DVX. I also find it funny that everyone is moving on and selling their DVXs...while on DVXuser.
 
I have never bought into hype (except when Pink Lady hit the airwaves in the early 80's), so i am rarely disappointed. Keeping your eye on trends and the latest advances in technology can be helpful. But it is too easy to get caught up in what may be coming next. Ever since Panny gave the world the 24P with the DVX, all excuses were taken away for me. Too many people worry more about what model camera they have, or how badass it lookss on set than they do about what that camera is actually capturing.

Don't get me wrong, I have done lots of shoots with everything from a RED to a PD-150. I'll probably get a scarlet or 2 when they are released. NEw advances are a good thing. But I have never waited for a piece of gear to be available to move ahead. And the main thing is that my clients and my projects have always been better off because the tools were never the focus.
 
Billy Pilgrim said:
It's funny, a lot of people who've seen my work comment on how good it looks, and I still shoot with the DVX100. That's the DVX100, the old shcool OG original DVX, not the a or b. But generally I get comments on the quality of the story and content, and I intend to keep it that way. It may not be HD, but I still love the DVX. I also find it funny that everyone is moving on and selling their DVXs...while on DVXuser.
Click to expand...

I'm still shooting with my DVX, as well. Upon seeing the footage, most people assume it's HD. Why would I need to upgrade? I'm perfectly happy with the camera and the workflow.
 
The irony is, all these new high end cameras are hot but America is still running on SD. Only a few of us can afford Blu-Ray production (It was too easy for HD-DVD technology to fall into our grimy little indy producer hands so we knew Blu-Ray would win) so shooting in HD is only to preserve footage for a possible future release our under the guise of getting a distribution deal and said distributor wanting an HD master. Most of us have to drop back down to SD.

CBHD (China's version HD-DVD) is kicking Blu-Ray's @$$ and HD-DVD is still kicking Blu-Ray's @$$ in Europe. Blu-Ray isn't predicted to be king until 2012. Doesn't the world end then or something? Did Blu-Ray really win the format war? I mean seriously. Most of us would be dropping HD-DVDs by now. In fact savy producers were finding out ways to use DVD-9 to hold HD-DVD footage.

So if you output to HD then digital download is really your only HD option unless you have money to mass produce Blu-Ray or you have a distributor that wants an HD master.

-Nate
 
The Camera you wan't will be released on December 21st 2012.

The mayan calendar actually predicts the released of a full frame 35mm 4:4:4 SLR for under ($1200 bux) with frame-rate ramps, that is adoptable to all lens formats and has a 2K/14bit LCD viewfinder. (I would have said optical VF, but then it wont take all lenses.).
 
DJDecay said:
The Camera you wan't will be released on December 21st 2012.

The mayan calendar actually predicts the released of a full frame 35mm 4:4:4 SLR for under ($1200 bux) with frame-rate ramps, that is adoptable to all lens formats and has a 2K/14bit LCD viewfinder. (I would have said optical VF, but then it wont take all lenses.).
Click to expand...

But will it have XLR inputs?
 
Nathyn said:
The irony is, all these new high end cameras are hot but America is still running on SD.....Most of us have to drop back down to SD.
Click to expand...

I'm not going to disagree, but what I will say is shooting in 1080HD on something even like the A1 and downrezzing to SD properly yields much better results than starting off in SD...which was a big reason I shot my film on the A1. Target is DVD, always was, but from a 1080 source it was going to have an extra pop and crispness to it that a DVX wouldn't touch. Maybe they'd come close in close ups or things lit a certain way (the chips can focus in more) but far away detail is a different story.

My 2 cents on that side of things...
 
True, even I'm looking at a HG10, but the thing is I'm not about to get hung up on all the new stuff and I never have money to get it anyway. I plan to shoot on the HG10 do an HD Master and then drop down to SD and sale it on DVD. If by some chance I get a distribution deal or something then the HD master will come in handy, otherwise it's just there for my amusement unless I do H.264 downloads. I see you're using an HV20 as your b-cam. I thinking about going back to that also. A lot will be based on my workflow. I know Final Cut is good with HDV, the AVCHD format on a Mac sounds like a lot of trouble.

-Nate
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top