Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Sorry to say it but you're flat out wrong. The Star Wars lands being built in LA and Orlando are going to be Potter level successful and generate billions in ticket sales, merchandise and food &beverage. Ask Comcast what the Potter lands have done for their parks/resort business because it basically saved the Universal parks brand. Disney and Uni are both investing billions right now in licensed IP lands in their theme parks for a reason- they're usually much more stable and far less risky than film investments. More people are vacationing in these cities year over year and the two biggest movies studios are fighting to capture every last dollar of their vacation money.
 
It's not like people buy a ticket just to enter Star Wars Land, they buy a ticket to the entire DISNEYLAND park. Don't like Star Wars, go to another part of the park. The only way they'll lose money is if people stop going to Disneyland altogether, which I don't see happening in the foreseeable future.
 
cyclone said:
Strictly anecdotal (thank you for your polite question as opposed to, "You're an idiot!!! You don't know what you're talking about!!"): My kids (in the target group) and their friends (both male and female) have no interest at all. Now the DC franchises...VERY interested. No doubt Star Wars continues to be very hot. The fun is in guessing what the future holds. Regarding investment strategies, Disney has conceded that California Adventure was a terrible idea and plans are already underway to "re-theme" it.
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I gotta respectfully disagree. I go to Disney World a lot and for example the Avatar World has been a huge success for Animal Kingdom. You still can't get Fast Passes for it and it has been open for month. Star Wars when it comes to Disney World might have lines running outside of the park lol.
 
Disney doesn't truly understand the tone of Star Wars.

As a matter of fact, Star Wars "fans" often don't.

Remember when you saw an X-wing attacking an AT-AT and your mind was blown and you were taken to the farthest reaches of your imagination witnessing something magical THAT YOU HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE??????

Remember when you first heard a lightsaber come to life or a speeder bike rev up and you were like HOLY CRAP WHAT IS THAT THING!?!

Yeah....erm....that's not happening again anytime soon.
 
Saw the film. Overall I found it to be uneven and about twenty minutes too long. There are scenes I enjoyed way more than anything in Force Awakens, and I found the directing to be more inspired visually. And the performances by and large were really good. But there was one too many pointless plot diversions and the new characters didn't really add much. Like a lot of franchise films these days there some running in place storywise. Some moments genuinely surprised me though, and the overall theme of letting the past die was a bold choice, and a welcome one for me. I know a lot of fans want to wallow in nostalgia, but I'd rather have something new that isn't mired in past stories.
 
combatentropy said:
You were 8. No movie will ever make you feel how you felt when you saw movies as a kid.
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This is true, but it's also true that the original Star Wars movies were groundbreaking for their time. ADULTS at the time were blown away by it. It truly was something audiences hadn't seen before. I can even give it up to the prequels, as horrible as they were, they were on the bleeding edge of CGI and delivering something new. I think that's impossible to do nowadays. We aren't going to get groundbreaking, just small refinements of special effects technique -- a little more photo real, a little more lifelike.
 
I saw it yesterday. It was a ton of fun, but still seems to be playing second fiddle to "The Empire Strikes Back". ( Empire always felt like it was made for an older audience )
 
They kept repeating the same obvious and dumb jokes over and over. There were moments of glory, but you had to slog through a whole lot of sludge to get to them.

According to IMDb:

After reading the script for the film, Mark Hamill told director Rian Johnson, "I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you've made for this character [Luke Skywalker]. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you've created and do my best to realize your vision."

I have to agree with Hamill.
 
I am a very casual Star Wars movie viewer and I had quite a few issues with it relating to certain casting choices, performances, length of the thing, the goofy humor, and some plot/story points. I also feel that since these movies are almost a license to print money, they should go back to practical effects for the non human creatures. It just looks so much better on camera than looking at a CGI face. It's freakin Star Wars. It's not "too expensive."
 
I agree about the CGI Josh. The film was alright, I actively disliked it but after the scene with Rey challenging Luke it picked up quite a bit. The one thing that I don't understand compared to the OG Star Wars films is that the capital ships seem so much easier to destroy now. Not a huge fan of the choices made in the direction of Luke's character, but at least it was a bold choice.
 
For me it was okay throughout with a lot of cringiness, a lot of meh, and some cool moments (we all know what they were!). I dont remember the original trilogy enough to compare.
 
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Overall I enjoyed it despite its multitude of storylines which were a little much. I love the fact that Po was so sure of himself but wrong (sort of). I think Fin is a great character but always seems so intense.

My big issues are with Luke and Rey Rey. She is too much of a Mary Sue character. I think the actress is great but her character is too good at everything still. Did she even really get any training from Luke or did it all herself?

As for Luke. Hmm. I don't necessarily have a problem with the way they portrayed him, I can live with it, but the 12 year old boy inside of me wanted to see a god-like Jedi knight at this point. Almost like the way Neo is shown at the end of the first Matrix movie where he sees the world in code, its most basic elements, and can manipulate it with little effort. I kind of needed that. He is such a legendary character we've been waiting thirty years to see on screen again. Unlike Rey, we've already seen his faults in the past. He's fumbled and struggled and was trained by two Jedi masters.
I know they sort of did that with him and I would have been ok with that for now, but then he dies?

I get that they want to focus more on Rey as the new savior, I just don't care about her in this context. In one way I really like that she's not tied to anyone and comes from nothing. Which would be great in her own separate trilogy. But in another way, this entire series has been about the family drama of the Skywalker bloodline. From episodes 1-6, now suddenly episodes 7-9 those characters are now playing a supporting role, outside of Kylo Ren. Who l liked even better in this film. While Rey, an unknown can do it all character comes out of the blue with no real training and can best everyone else. eh
 
roxics said:
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Overall I enjoyed it despite its multitude of storylines which were a little much. I love the fact that Po was so sure of himself but wrong (sort of). I think Fin is a great character but always seems so intense.

My big issues are with Luke and Rey Rey. She is too much of a Mary Sue character. I think the actress is great but her character is too good at everything still. Did she even really get any training from Luke or did it all herself?

As for Luke. Hmm. I don't necessarily have a problem with the way they portrayed him, I can live with it, but the 12 year old boy inside of me wanted to see a god-like Jedi knight at this point. Almost like the way Neo is shown at the end of the first Matrix movie where he sees the world in code, its most basic elements, and can manipulate it with little effort. I kind of needed that. He is such a legendary character we've been waiting thirty years to see on screen again. Unlike Rey, we've already seen his faults in the past. He's fumbled and struggled and was trained by two Jedi masters.
I know they sort of did that with him and I would have been ok with that for now, but then he dies?

I get that they want to focus more on Rey as the new savior, I just don't care about her in this context. In one way I really like that she's not tied to anyone and comes from nothing. Which would be great in her own separate trilogy. But in another way, this entire series has been about the family drama of the Skywalker bloodline. From episodes 1-6, now suddenly episodes 7-9 those characters are now playing a supporting role, outside of Kylo Ren. Who l liked even better in this film. While Rey, an unknown can do it all character comes out of the blue with no real training and can best everyone else. eh
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Jedi training all seems pretty damn easy in this film. At least in Empire Luke seemed to toil for a little while. In Kickboxer (which I'm sure has aged poorly despite my love for it as a 12 year old boy) you see Van Damme go through a ton of training just to master doing a full split.
 
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roxics said:
In one way I really like that she's not tied to anyone and comes from nothing. Which would be great in her own separate trilogy. But in another way, this entire series has been about the family drama of the Skywalker bloodline. From episodes 1-6, now suddenly episodes 7-9 those characters are now playing a supporting role, outside of Kylo Ren.
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Kylo Ren might have been lying his *ss off when he mentioned Rey's parents, also Snoke was controlling their connection and could have fabricated lots of things. So Rey's true family tree might not be what we've been told it is.
 
robmneilson said:
Jedi training all seems pretty damn easy in this film. At least in Empire Luke seemed to toil for a little while. In Kickboxer (which I'm sure has aged poorly despite my love for it as a 12 year old boy) you see Van Damme go through a ton of training just to master doing a full split.
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It's funny you bring that up, I just watched Kickboxer Saturday night for the first time in forever. It was one of my favorite movies when I was younger. It definitely has the cheese factor, but it still holds up pretty well. Keeping in mind the kind of movie it was to begin with. I was more surprised to see how great it looked in HD considering I've only ever watched it on VHS before.

But yeah, Rey doesn't seem to get a lot of training. She gets a little meditation advice from Luke and then runs off exploring and playing with her lightsaber on her own. Luke had to go through some training with Obi Wan with that laser training ball and then Jedi boot camp with Yoda. Plus we have to assume that in the last 30-40 years he's only kept it up and gotten better.
 
TheDingo said:
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Kylo Ren might have been lying his *ss off when he mentioned Rey's parents, also Snoke was controlling their connection and could have fabricated lots of things. So Rey's true family tree might not be what we've been told it is.
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True, but we're lead to believe she knows this is true and if she's as good with the force as they want us to believe, we would think she could sense whether or not Kylo is lying to her. She has been able to best him at other things with no training, like wrestling Luke's lightsaber from him when they were both trying to summon it to themselves in the last movie. Where it flew past his head into her hand. The only person that seemed to be able to out force her was Snoke when he tricked both of them.
 
robmneilson said:
Jedi training all seems pretty damn easy in this film. At least in Empire Luke seemed to toil for a little while.
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Rey might be a natural Jedi savant, which could mean that she will be absolutely unstoppable once she has actual has Jedi training. ( assuming that Yoda or another Jedi being is up for the task )
 
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