specs HVX

whatever, I guess my standards are higher then some, and no I can't buy an arri d-20 it's not forsale, I can't buy a Panavision, also not for public sale.

Every single "real" and "professional" I have shown the reel-stream output with the letus35 has been amazed, from Directors to VFX guys..
 
Barry, yes that is way I say "long live raw" as Juan and gang are the only people on planet earth I know that are doing what some say "can't be done"
 
How hard is it to supply a cheap lens on this camera that comes off? not hard at all.
How hard to by pass DSP, compression. not hard at all. Even Canon has HD-SDI now.

Canon a "Prosumer" video equipment CO.

HD-SDI out.


but then again, most people shoot weddings, tv news, doc's, home movies
 
well......this is an interesting read.

obin, your needs are simple....shoot film. If you can't handle film, then do the next best thing...go CineAlt. Those are for sale. If you can't handle CineAlt go .....get the idea?

This is a freakin 5K camera...and if it works as good as we all think (here in this forum i mean)
thats a hell of a deal.

Besides...I'm getting tired of reading posts by people crying that they want all the benefits and resolution of film....but have 100 bucks to spend on a video camera.
 
I think that obin has shown us some impressive looking stuff with the reel-stream mod and 35 adapters, and it's hard not to listen to what he has to say.

it's probably not very difficult to manufacture a camara that has a built in reel-stream type mod or perhaps some type of implementation of a 35mm adapter... I'm not an engineer, but if the reel-stream guys can mod an existing system, I don't see why it would be so hard to build it like that in the first place.

maybe its just a matter of time- like how it took so long for a 24p dv camera to come to the market. since the dvx was introduced, 24p is pretty standard on competing cameras. if panasonic never introduced the dvx, we might all still be shooting 60i.
 
obin said:
whatever, I guess my standards are higher then some, and no I can't buy an arri d-20 it's not forsale, I can't buy a Panavision, also not for public sale.

Every single "real" and "professional" I have shown the reel-stream output with the letus35 has been amazed, from Directors to VFX guys..
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Obin, the Andromeda/Scupltor is not even for sale yet and no idea if and when that will actually happen. Plus, you have to haul around a computer to shoot with it. That single issue does not seem to bother you - but it's a problem for 99% of camera buyers.
 
obin said:
Barry, yes that is way I say "long live raw" as Juan and gang are the only people on planet earth I know that are doing what some say "can't be done"
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the question is not "if it can be done" but is "should it be done".
 
obin said:
How hard is it to supply a cheap lens on this camera that comes off? not hard at all.
How hard to by pass DSP, compression. not hard at all. Even Canon has HD-SDI now.

Canon a "Prosumer" video equipment CO.

HD-SDI out.


but then again, most people shoot weddings, tv news, doc's, home movies
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Cheap lens that comes off - that would be the HD100. :grin:

The fixed lens allows us to get a high quality lens at a lower price. Given the price of HD lenses, that's a good thing. If you want more, you need to pay more.

Sure the XL H1 has HD-SDI out but only studio shoots with very expensive computer gear can use it.

Bottom line is that no portable recording system for RAW uncompressed data exists. Until it does and cost around what P2 does, it not's gonna happen.
 
Party_Pooper said:
I'm not an engineer, but if the reel-stream guys can mod an existing system, I don't see why it would be so hard to build it like that in the first place.
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That's a completely illogical statement. If it were not hard to build, it would have been done. Juan still does not have the reel-stream system fully working as sellable product and no other RAW/Uncompressed systems can record outside of studio. There is no portable recording medium for it and probably won't be for a few years unless one of the new techs gets to market fast.

You can get uncompressed output (analog) out of the HVX or uncompressed digital out of the H1 but who's actually going to use it for anything but studio green-screen work?

I fail to see how this is valid complaint on the HVX .
 
Party_Pooper:I think that obin has shown us some impressive looking stuff with the reel-stream mod and 35 adapters, and it's hard not to listen to what he has to say.

And what they have done is totally capable with the Standard Definition chip set we put in there in the first place, unless i missed where they replaced the chipset with something entirely different.

>it's probably not very difficult to manufacture a camara that has a built in reel-stream type mod or perhaps some type of implementation of a 35mm adapter... I'm not an engineer, but if the reel-stream guys can mod an existing system, I don't see why it would be so hard to build it like that in the first place.

If it was so easy then it would have been done by now.

>maybe its just a matter of time- like how it took so long for a 24p dv camera to come to the market. since the dvx was introduced, 24p is pretty standard on competing cameras. if panasonic never introduced the dvx, we might all still be shooting 60i.

Actually there is only one other camera that does it and that is the largely more expensive XL-2.

Best,

jan
 
24p: H1, xl2, HD100, hvx- while these may not all be competitors to the dvx, these are the cams that filmmakers will consider... all im saying is that since the introduction of the dvx, most filmmakers will not consider a camera that does not have 24p. since we've seen that low cost 35mm adapters are out there and the reel-stream mod is possible it, many filmmakers want this too. but I guess its not possible because "it would have been done by now", so I suppose I stand corrected.

I like my dvx and the state of video technology compared to previous years, but I'll still look to go as far as possible. all i know is that I do have to go out of my way to get the image that IS POSSIBLE- in mods and 35mm adapters. Maybe a few years down the line we won't have to do this anymore- I don't have to use a fake "24p" filter anymore in post like I did several years ago. before the dvx did people go "24p? not possible!"?
 
I would pay $40,000 for a camera that met with what I want, RAW, 1080p24fps aps or 35mm sensor size. does this end the "Conversation" or should I say bickering we are having here?

but it seems that only the Russians can stand up and say "yes" to what I want...unless you want to pay $200,000 for a D-20 Arricam, Viper etc

Even Arri and Viper don't get it, if you use a visually lossless compression like CineFOrm even RAW can be compressed to around 20-30MB/sec!!!!!
 
it's like hello people, anyone want to make the ULTIMATE digital cine cam or not?


I guess not...that is why I keep plugging away at my own 1080p 24fps raw camera project..
 
I would hope that Jan can tell us "yes this is using an HD chipset" can that be said Jan? if so then yes I will buy one, and yes I will send it off to reel-stream.com for the raw output conversion. thing is I get the feeling this can't even be said! so what does this mean? is the HVX a copy of how the reel-stream guys get HD???!!?

So Jan, (now that I see you ARE reading this thread) does the HVX have a chipset that is in anyway TRUE or NATIVE HD resolution at all? I think this will answer all my questions.
 
tired? then don't read it! You have "ignore" on here, that is how I deal with people like myself, well the one's I feel the way YOU feel about me anyway...
 
This IS Wells, it ALMOST feels like you want to stay with VIDEO, and not push the format into "cine"

I would be fine with that, but I have seen the light with my Canon 1ds camera, it's 11MP and I **** you not, it beats the heck outa film. and cost $7grand to boot. but it's worth it!
jsut as $40,000 is worth spening on a real "cine" camera

BTW This is wells, if you want I will go back over to dvinfo, people on that board enjoy what I am allways talking about and showing. is that what you want?
 
I think the Dalsa would be the cam you are looking for. But it aint in the 40.000$ segment.

Its the combination of 24FPS and High Picture quality that is the problem. A photo camera just have to take 1 picture every 1 to 5 seconds. Then it no problem taking a 11MP picture. But develop a sensor with 11MP(or even 2) and 24FPS. Thats gonna cost.
 
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