specs HVX
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Barry_Green
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The HD10's CCD is probably the same as the HD100's. Nobody ever reported there being a split-screen issue with the HD1 or HD10. However, keep in mind that the HD1 and HD10 run at 30fps only; the HD100 internally operates at 60fps, so it's being asked to deliver twice the performance. That may be where the split comes from; according to JVC it is due to a heat issue when trying to extract that much info from a 1/3" chip. Also, the HD1/HD10 were single-CCD models, the HD100 is a three-CCD running at twice the speed, so theoretically it's being asked to handle six times as much info...Tzedekh said:
fiercecurry
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Jan_Crittenden said:
Thats used car salesman talk. Dont bother looking under the hood, it works fine....trust me! You'll love it.
LOL.
braw
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I find this endlessly amusing. Hey guys, my dads camcorder can beat up your dads camcorder.
All these cameras pump up talking points. Notice Canon doesn't draw much attention to the codec? Notice most of the footage reportedly being shown was recorded to a DVCPRO HD deck or straight out of the SDI? Notice that a ton of very educated folks on this board have repeatedly broke down in graphic detail all the parameters as to what constitutes an image, and that on all of these, after a certain pixel count, it's just to brag about your "unit" size.
I am leery of folks pumping up one spec and squelching others that are intregal to the overall image.
All these cameras pump up talking points. Notice Canon doesn't draw much attention to the codec? Notice most of the footage reportedly being shown was recorded to a DVCPRO HD deck or straight out of the SDI? Notice that a ton of very educated folks on this board have repeatedly broke down in graphic detail all the parameters as to what constitutes an image, and that on all of these, after a certain pixel count, it's just to brag about your "unit" size.
I am leery of folks pumping up one spec and squelching others that are intregal to the overall image.
Stevet
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What's the point of this thread?
As far as CCD resolution, I don't care how they are doing it, If it looks good, that's all I care about.
Jarred and Barry say the 1080i looks dang good:
Quote from recent article from Jarred and Barry:
" And the detail was incredible -- even though this was 1080i footage we were watching, it looked remarkably sharp and detailed. It didn't look like HDV, that's for sure: it really looked like footage coming from a higher class of camera."
As far as Jan, she works for Panasonic. If Panasonic wants to keep their technical
information secretive until it's released, so be it....
Steve
As far as CCD resolution, I don't care how they are doing it, If it looks good, that's all I care about.
Jarred and Barry say the 1080i looks dang good:
Quote from recent article from Jarred and Barry:
" And the detail was incredible -- even though this was 1080i footage we were watching, it looked remarkably sharp and detailed. It didn't look like HDV, that's for sure: it really looked like footage coming from a higher class of camera."
As far as Jan, she works for Panasonic. If Panasonic wants to keep their technical
information secretive until it's released, so be it....
Steve
Stevet said:
This is a camera enthusiast forum. It seems pretty natural to me that some people here would be interested in the decisions Pany have made to achieve the supposed amazing results.
It's like being a car enthusiast and saying "Nay, I don't want to see the engine or know how big it is, as long as I know that I goes fast."
How the CCDs/engine performs makes you buy the camera/car, but an enthusiast will also be interested in how the performance is achieved.
If you aren't interested, that's cool, but you probably won't want to bother reading this thread
Zig_Zigman
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And you guys thought I was silly for bringing this up *L* we just want to *know*, man...
Frankly, I'm just happy to be skipping the whole HDV experience.
Frankly, I'm just happy to be skipping the whole HDV experience.
Stevet
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mmm said:
Agreed! I hear ya man. That's why I'm here, to learn about the HVX200 and other cameras. It was not my intention to imply this thought. I was refering to the ongoing inquiring over the CCD resolution when it was clearly stated by Jan (several times) she was not able to offer this at this time.
Like the rest, I want the best picture quality and resolution possible.
Also, like many who have mentioned here, CCD resolution is only one aspect of
final picture quality.
Steve
braw
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The specs will either be released or found out no matter what. I understand wanting to know what they are, most of us do. The issue is that if it is lower than the highest native to DVCPRO HD, this damn board will be flooded with FUD and stupid ass threads.
I kind of like how this board has a pretty low count of crap threads. My guess is that they will release specs with footage to counter people spazzing out about how whatever configuration they chose "is vastly inferior" and "no way this camera can have a good picture".
So either chill until they voluntarily release the info, or keep working away at Jan, I'm sure she's right on the verge of cracking.
I kind of like how this board has a pretty low count of crap threads. My guess is that they will release specs with footage to counter people spazzing out about how whatever configuration they chose "is vastly inferior" and "no way this camera can have a good picture".
So either chill until they voluntarily release the info, or keep working away at Jan, I'm sure she's right on the verge of cracking.
Jan_Crittenden
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fiercecurry said:
Actually, it isn't "used Car Saleperson" talk, because if it were, I wouldn't show you the picture it makes.
Jan
PS. I have a friend in the Used car business and I would never buy a used car from a dealer of used cars.
if it's just the same chips as used in the HVX-prototypes, I'm happy.
And if there's a nice integrated cap for the objective - I'm twice happy (that hasn't been answered yet - am I wrong?)
Happy for vari-fps, happy for P2, happy for 100Mbps, happy for 4:2:2, happy for multiple format, happy for FS, happy for 4:3-screen, free of specs on picture, happy for 6000USD, happy for noiseless rec, happy for NL-rec, happy for BD-drives arriving in time!
And finally happy to be living in THIS generation of affordable cinematography for any creative dude! - Thanks Robert Rodriguez - you give hope - Thanks Panasonic - you give the equipment!
And if there's a nice integrated cap for the objective - I'm twice happy (that hasn't been answered yet - am I wrong?)
Happy for vari-fps, happy for P2, happy for 100Mbps, happy for 4:2:2, happy for multiple format, happy for FS, happy for 4:3-screen, free of specs on picture, happy for 6000USD, happy for noiseless rec, happy for NL-rec, happy for BD-drives arriving in time!
And finally happy to be living in THIS generation of affordable cinematography for any creative dude! - Thanks Robert Rodriguez - you give hope - Thanks Panasonic - you give the equipment!
insanityfw
Ban Me Please!
I know it's been hinted at, but who the hell actually cares about the pixel count. I know that in geek-speak pixel-count should matter, but from a writer/director/other-things perspective I just want to see how it looks. ?How does it make me feel? Does it distract from the story
I come from a film world and never thought that I would "turn to the dark side" and shoot video, but I bought a DVX, which will underperform the HVX for sure and found that I could run out myself and still get good looking images without too much fuss. I could burn some great overhead hallogen lights in my house and shoot off footage that looks almost as good as days of planning to shoot 16mm with a DP and full crew. How much more will the DVX and the HVX do in the hands of a great crew at the servitude of a great script and actors. Now, before everybody get's crazy I know that video has limitations, but it has changed the way we are able to go about story telling. 90% of the time the DVX will look as good as 16mm under the same circumstances, so how much better the hope for the HVX, but it still comes down to talent and story.
I've seen the work of a couple people on this site and I'm confident without "looking under the hood" that if you give the right story to some of these people, under the right direction that a revolution will begin, just like it did with the cheap, but wonderful little DVX.
So, you all go count pixels and such and I'll be out shooting features...on video.
Best,
J.
I come from a film world and never thought that I would "turn to the dark side" and shoot video, but I bought a DVX, which will underperform the HVX for sure and found that I could run out myself and still get good looking images without too much fuss. I could burn some great overhead hallogen lights in my house and shoot off footage that looks almost as good as days of planning to shoot 16mm with a DP and full crew. How much more will the DVX and the HVX do in the hands of a great crew at the servitude of a great script and actors. Now, before everybody get's crazy I know that video has limitations, but it has changed the way we are able to go about story telling. 90% of the time the DVX will look as good as 16mm under the same circumstances, so how much better the hope for the HVX, but it still comes down to talent and story.
I've seen the work of a couple people on this site and I'm confident without "looking under the hood" that if you give the right story to some of these people, under the right direction that a revolution will begin, just like it did with the cheap, but wonderful little DVX.
So, you all go count pixels and such and I'll be out shooting features...on video.
Best,
J.
Cees Mutsaers
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but I hyave the feeling from her remark that even after the HVX is on the market Panasonic will not reveal the physical CCD resolution
Stevet said:
Cees Mutsaers
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Please members for the last time read carefully the start of this thread. I was not asking for pixelcount. Jan just give us the complete spec WITHOUT the pixel count :kiss:
Cees Mutsaers said:
Jan_Crittenden
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Cees Mutsaers said:
Which specs do you want to know? That might seem lame but from here it seems as though most of the specs are known. That is why I jumped to the conclusion that I did. Ask the question and I will answer.
Best,
jan