specs HVX
- Thread starter Cees Mutsaers
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Well, what specs do we want to know... :
I asked several times for the objective cap (not only me...) - whether integrated or not -isn't that a spec too?
And from the actual variable framerates we have 8 confirmed out of 12... but this is very recent and so probably still all we know. 4fps would be nice, to have a big range...
...but the unexpected intervall rec we got is even much nicer!!
Never a word about the material.... same as DVX100 I guess.... so all other specs seem to be said to me.
I asked several times for the objective cap (not only me...) - whether integrated or not -isn't that a spec too?
And from the actual variable framerates we have 8 confirmed out of 12... but this is very recent and so probably still all we know. 4fps would be nice, to have a big range...
...but the unexpected intervall rec we got is even much nicer!!
Never a word about the material.... same as DVX100 I guess.... so all other specs seem to be said to me.
obin said:
I think that's exactly what Panasonic doesn't want we to know. So people (with quite some degree of reason) can't say something along the lines of, "well, if the HVX200 is upscaling 960x720 to 1920x1080 in camera, I can upscale 1280x720 too with software".
stephenvv
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Image is Everything
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Jan has pointed out many times that CCD's are analog devices, so not really a valid question. The only number that matters is how many line it resolves on a rez chart in progressive modes.
To me, looks are everything - not the camera, I could care less what the camera looks like - but the image, image is everything. If the image resolves HD, who cares how many pixels the CCD are? I'm more worried about latitude, artifacts (re JVC SSE), smear, gamma curves, lens performance, noise in shadows.
Res is way overrated. I just got a Panny AE900U projector & DVX footage uprezzed from 480i DVD to 720p looks amazingly good on a 92" screen. As long as the HVX improves it ( and I suspect 100 Mb/s data just might :cheesy: ), let's rock and roll.
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Mediacre said:
Jan has pointed out many times that CCD's are analog devices, so not really a valid question. The only number that matters is how many line it resolves on a rez chart in progressive modes.
To me, looks are everything - not the camera, I could care less what the camera looks like - but the image, image is everything. If the image resolves HD, who cares how many pixels the CCD are? I'm more worried about latitude, artifacts (re JVC SSE), smear, gamma curves, lens performance, noise in shadows.
Res is way overrated. I just got a Panny AE900U projector & DVX footage uprezzed from 480i DVD to 720p looks amazingly good on a 92" screen. As long as the HVX improves it ( and I suspect 100 Mb/s data just might :cheesy: ), let's rock and roll.
Cees Mutsaers
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In addition to the good questions CICI asked I would like to know whether the autofocus in progressive mode works the same way as in interlaced mode. So to be more specific is it in progressive mode just focus assist where you get only an approximate automatic focus and you have to focus manual to get optimum focus or do you get fast autofocus (preferable with no hunting) to the optimum focus like the Sony Z1 does which is a an interlaced cam.
Does the HVX come with a remote controll, if so what can it do?
Again all 12 framerates at 720P?
Does the HVX come with a remote controll, if so what can it do?
Again all 12 framerates at 720P?
cici said:
Barry_Green
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Depends on the frame rate you're shooting at. If you're shooting 60p, the autofocus will presumably be every bit as fast and responsive as the Z1 is in 60i (or the HVX is in 60i).Cees Mutsaers said:
But if you change the frame rate to 12 fps, no the autofocus won't be nearly as responsive. It can't possibly be. With the CCD running slower, the autofocus system receives updates slower. The slower the frame rate, the slower the performance of the autofocus system.
It probably doesn't come with one, but VariZoom and others will make remote controllers for it. The remote functions are zoom, iris, focus, and record start/stop. It's backward-compatible with DVX zoom & rec start-stop controllers, and the focus/iris jack is compatible with the DVX's, so any remote that works with the DVX would also work with the HVX. If there's any other remote capability, they didn't tell us about it...
We got 8 or 9 confirmed, I don't think we've been told how many more there may be, or which ones they may be. I don't know that a total of 12 framerates is even confirmed...
Jan_Crittenden
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Cees Mutsaers: In addition to the good questions CICI asked
It does not have a lens cap that is included on the lens hood.
The material is an magnesium-aluminum diecast.
>I would like to know whether the autofocus in progressive mode works the same way as in interlaced mode. So to be more specific is it in progressive mode just focus assist where you get only an approximate automatic focus and you have to focus manual to get optimum focus or do you get fast autofocus (preferable with no hunting) to the optimum focus like the Sony Z1 does which is a an interlaced cam.
The autofocussing is not finished on the camera I have, but I would answer the question just like Barry has as the focussing function on the DVX at least has the frame rate as the lead on the focussing sample.
>Does the HVX come with a remote controll, if so what can it do?
Good question, have not see the remote control as yet.
>Again all 12 framerates at 720P?
Actually it may be 10 or 12 and I don't have the final yet. They are still working on it.
We will have a full brochure that is available in aobut a month or so and all of these things will be locked down.
Best,
Jan
It does not have a lens cap that is included on the lens hood.
The material is an magnesium-aluminum diecast.
>I would like to know whether the autofocus in progressive mode works the same way as in interlaced mode. So to be more specific is it in progressive mode just focus assist where you get only an approximate automatic focus and you have to focus manual to get optimum focus or do you get fast autofocus (preferable with no hunting) to the optimum focus like the Sony Z1 does which is a an interlaced cam.
The autofocussing is not finished on the camera I have, but I would answer the question just like Barry has as the focussing function on the DVX at least has the frame rate as the lead on the focussing sample.
>Does the HVX come with a remote controll, if so what can it do?
Good question, have not see the remote control as yet.
>Again all 12 framerates at 720P?
Actually it may be 10 or 12 and I don't have the final yet. They are still working on it.
We will have a full brochure that is available in aobut a month or so and all of these things will be locked down.
Best,
Jan
resolution DOES matter in a BIG way, without it your images are SOFT, the larger the screen the softer they are, everything falls below resolution, I am NOT saying that resolution is the end-all be-all it's not. but it's first, if we have it, then we can talk dynamic range etc.
and at this point Pana is afraid to say what it is, why? because it's less then they would want you to know i bet. no fear, reel-stream.com will "unlock" this camera if they can, and it will be game over.
long live raw images.
A note to Panasonic. I am a working professional. I want un-compressed out. I hate the "video look" without shallow DOF it's "VIDEO" and no, don't tell me to go buy a VariCam, make a HD 35mm sized sensor camera and I will buy. Create a high quality built in 35mm GG unit and I will BUY. don't give me "video" spend some money and time on this and it will sell. Canon sells a $900 camera with a APS sized sensor, bigger market? yes that is why it's $900, make your camera $20,000 and it will sell. like hotcakes. Just do it.
and at this point Pana is afraid to say what it is, why? because it's less then they would want you to know i bet. no fear, reel-stream.com will "unlock" this camera if they can, and it will be game over.
long live raw images.
A note to Panasonic. I am a working professional. I want un-compressed out. I hate the "video look" without shallow DOF it's "VIDEO" and no, don't tell me to go buy a VariCam, make a HD 35mm sized sensor camera and I will buy. Create a high quality built in 35mm GG unit and I will BUY. don't give me "video" spend some money and time on this and it will sell. Canon sells a $900 camera with a APS sized sensor, bigger market? yes that is why it's $900, make your camera $20,000 and it will sell. like hotcakes. Just do it.
Barry_Green
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Most definitely!stevesnj said:
Barry_Green
Moderator
Of course resolution counts -- but Obin, you're the guy using a DVX with its 770x492 chips to deliver 1540x984 razor-sharp video, right? Surely, based on your Andromeda experience, you'd agree that they could deliver a very sharp, very nice 1920x1080 image with chips that were as small as 960x540, as long as they sampled them the same way the Andromeda is sampling the DVX's chips, right?obin said:
MovieSwede
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OBIN
If you dont have the money to buy a varicam (or rent) why do you think you can afford shooting uncompressed HD?
The storage cost will be enormous.
And also. The DVCPROHD codec let you shoot with 1280*1080 in res. No need to make higher res chips. Even the varicam doesnt shoot with higher res then that.
If you dont have the money to buy a varicam (or rent) why do you think you can afford shooting uncompressed HD?
The storage cost will be enormous.
And also. The DVCPROHD codec let you shoot with 1280*1080 in res. No need to make higher res chips. Even the varicam doesnt shoot with higher res then that.
stephenvv
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First, resolution comes from many factors, the CCDs only being one of them. And anyway, I don't agree that it's "first". "First" on this cam is the fact that it's DVCProHD, "second" is that it shoots various progressive modes. Progressive is a much bigger deal on the CCD than pixel count. "Third" is P2. "Fourth" is variable frame rates. "Fifth" is 24fps. "Sixth" is native 16:9 (oh the lines of rez I lose in squeeze mode).
It's more like "short live raw images" since you have to drag a computer and drives around leaving yourself on short leash. If Juan had developed on camera system or at least a firestore like device. Cool. But it's really like the HD-SDI on the XL H1. Useful for a tiny fraction of buyers, bordering on gimmick until someone has easily portable way to record the raw stream.
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Shallow DOF does not equal "video". Shallow DOF is a technique in photography in al mediums. It's very trendy and plenty of great 35mm films have been done using deep focus (Citizen Kane where the DOF limitations of 35mm cams and lenses caused Toland grief). Citizen Kane does not scream "Video Look" :grin:
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Please don't do that, Panasonic. Not everyone is obessed with shallow DOF at the expense of latitude, softness, weight, size and most of all cost. Sure, I would love a 35mm sensor, 15 stops of latitude and interchangeable lenses including a set of primes for $20k, but that would be in the "camera porn fantasy" :embarasse
The only $20k cams that sell like hotcakes are those bought by ENG, event and church videographers. They do not want 35mm CG and it would be a showstopper feature.
The "give me shallow DOF or give me death" market is much smaller, most can't afford $20k anyway.
I personally like the Red Rock Micro approach and I might get one for the HVX - it's affordable (no hassles of renting for us non LA.NY folks), the models seem to work okay and it gives me the option for the time when I want a softer, shallow focus image. But it stays an option, not stuck on the camera.
Jim Arthurs
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obin said:
Obin, why not save judgement until you actually have footage from the HVX to look at?
What you're asking for, feature-wise, isn't going to happen within the next few years, and I think you know it. You don't have to buy the HVX, the Z1, the JVC, or anything else that is substandard to your needs, so why waste your energy here?
...If your goal is story telling, then save all your energy and effort and money and simply RENT something that will make you happy from a technical point of view, and tell your story.
Regards,
Jim Arthurs
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Yes we would like to have the book with the unit if possible....keep it up Barry
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Barry_Green said:
Yes we would like to have the book with the unit if possible....keep it up Barry