FS5: Sony releases v1.1 firmware

Martin.G said:
How tough am i?

I upgraded my FS7 to firmware 3.0 on just battery power. Thats how tough i am...
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FS7 has a totally different process than FS5 (which is similar to A7x series). You can't use battery on FS5 though.

And yes Doug, no problem.
 
Just to clear it up, I'm not trying to pick at you saying you were coming down on folks, I just don't understand how a person that put out a training series on the fs5, didn't notice a problem that is clearly evident with the extensive testing you've done. Myself and many others could pick it out at anything above 3200 iso at 4k, on small monitors very easily. It wasn't a problem that was hidden or hard to see.
 
This has already been done, but I made a before/after test of the firmware just to confirm that it solved the problem. I know my "After" version isn't the exact same framing, but I had to plug my FS5 into the AC power adapter to do the update, so when I returned, I set the shot a little differently. It's still clear that the problem has been solved by the firmware update. If you look at the top of the coffee cup, that's where you'll spot the problem most easily. I didn't do a tilt because I have found focus racks to be where the problem looked most heinous.

 
4k looks really nice to my eye at high ISO's tested on my large 4k screen. Sony did well on this one. I was regretting the purchase for a while, but I'm glad they came through on this.
 
swanny said:
Just to clear it up, I'm not trying to pick at you saying you were coming down on folks, I just don't understand how a person that put out a training series on the fs5, didn't notice a problem that is clearly evident with the extensive testing you've done. Myself and many others could pick it out at anything above 3200 iso at 4k, on small monitors very easily. It wasn't a problem that was hidden or hard to see.
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1) I rarely if ever shoot with high Gain settings on this or any other camera so there's no reason it would come ever come up during normal shooting.
2) When I did test high gain settings, it was not done with the type of motion that induces the problem others have experienced.
3) My instructional videos are focused on operation and setup -- not on finding a camera's faults at extreme settings.
4) My videos are not produced as cameras reviews, camera tests, or camera shoot outs.

If you want to find fault with the FS5, this problem would be way down on my list of things to be upset about. We all have our own priorities when it comes to what we expect from a camera.
 
Doug Jensen said:
1) I rarely if ever shoot with high Gain settings on this or any other camera so there's no reason it would come ever come up during normal shooting.
2) When I did test high gain settings, it was not done with the type of motion that induces the problem others have experienced.
3) My instructional videos are focused on operation and setup -- not on finding a camera's faults at extreme settings.
4) My videos are not produced as cameras reviews, camera tests, or camera shoot outs.

If you want to find fault with the FS5, this problem would be way down on my list of things to be upset about. We all have our own priorities when it comes to what we expect from a camera.
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+1
 
Normal shooting for one, can be completely different for another. Event guys push ISO's way higher than a controlled set.

It's not about people trying to find fault with the camera. "we all have priorities when it comes to what we expect from a camera" is the exact type of responses that many were irritated about when people were pointing out there was a problem. Making it seem the users were being unreasonable in our expectations. When I tested the camera for various ISO settings, it jumped right out at me and I wasn't trying to find faults, rather finding what the noise threshold was for my personal projects. As been proven by sony, "our priorities and what we expect" from a camera has not been what was delivered to us on the initial release of this unit. Even now that sony has fessed up to the problem and delivered a solution you still tell people its our "expectations" that are the fault.

I also made it a distinct point to make sure you didn't take my first post out of context, then came back saying we're trying to find a fault with it. Come on. We all know that is not the case, as been proven by many, many, posts and sony's fix to us for the people that push the camera "using extreme settings"
 
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I too have not seen any artefacts or noise issues, but i only have been shooting HD. I did replicate the issues in store before purchase in 4K, but since owning i have had no reason to shoot 4K.

In my opinion if yr using or testing the camera in HD (not 4K) the little magnificent FS5 performs exceptionally up to +9db. I have never pushed it pass +9db and probably never will. I use the shutter for an extra stop, and will raise in post, because we are dealing with 10bit 422 so there is no problem raising exposure in post and adding subtle noise reduction if need be.

Coming from a C100/300 this FS5 is a thing of beauty. And with the new firmware V1.11 i may even start shooting a bit of 4K.
 
BeeHop said:
I too have not seen any artefacts or noise issues, but i only have been shooting HD. I did replicate the issues in store before purchase in 4K, but since owning i have had no reason to shoot 4K.

In my opinion if yr using or testing the camera in HD (not 4K) the little magnificent FS5 performs exceptionally up to +9db. I have never pushed it pass +9db and probably never will. I use the shutter for an extra stop, and will raise in post, because we are dealing with 10bit 422 so there is no problem raising exposure in post and adding subtle noise reduction if need be.

Coming from a C100/300 this FS5 is a thing of beauty. And with the new firmware V1.11 i may even start shooting a bit of 4K.
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Oh, interesting. I did a quick test of the camera in a store before buying it and I immediately spottet the 4K NR artifacts in +12db. In the viewfinder and without having heard of it before. To my eyes it is very obvious but Sony has now taken care of that. Great! Anyways, I made sure not to pass +6db and had a very pleasant experience with my FS5. Till I used HD – on a larger-scale assignment. In HD SLog3 and 0db the camera showed nasty artifacts on high contrast borders. I din't shoot against the sun or anything, just an indoor shooting in an airport. I will stay off HD on the FS5 except for slow motion. Or is this the next issue Sony is going to fix? I would really appreciate it.

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swanny said:
Normal shooting for one, can be completely different for another. Event guys push ISO's way higher than a controlled set.

It's not about people trying to find fault with the camera. "we all have priorities when it comes to what we expect from a camera" is the exact type of responses that many were irritated about when people were pointing out there was a problem. Making it seem the users were being unreasonable in our expectations. When I tested the camera for various ISO settings, it jumped right out at me and I wasn't trying to find faults, rather finding what the noise threshold was for my personal projects. As been proven by sony, "our priorities and what we expect" from a camera has not been what was delivered to us on the initial release of this unit. Even now that sony has fessed up to the problem and delivered a solution you still tell people its our "expectations" that are the fault. I also made it a distinct point to make sure you didn't take my first post out of context, then came back saying we're trying to find a fault with it. Come on. We all know that is not the case, as been proven by many, many, posts and sony's fix to us for the people that push the camera "using extreme settings"
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You know, no matter what I say you're going to find fault with it, so enjoy your camera. Apparently the problem was so obvious that you didn't need me to point it out anyway so I don't know why you're jumping all over me. I DON'T WORK FOR SONY, I DID NOT MAKE THE CAMERA, AND I NEVER ENCOURAGED ANYONE TO BUY ONE. So please don't lay any blame for the problem, not discovering the problem, not acknowledging the problem, not getting on the bandwagon about fixing the problem, at my doorstep. I have nothing to with it so move on, please.
 
Im not attacking you Doug and I don't actually have a problem with the camera. I posted above that I thought everything looks great with the new firmware. I just didn't understand why you were saying that I was trying to find fault in the camera, when all I was doing was admiting that there was a problem with the edge tearing in the initial firmware. There is a difference between pointing out a legit problem and pulling something out of nowhere. I just don't get why some members just chalk it up to unreasonable expectations of the camera that's all. We know that's clearly not the case.
 
And I think the biggest beef with allistars comments were that he never actually acknowledged that there was a problem, rather telling everyone they were expecting too much from the camera. I think it's a great camera and love it much more than my c100. I didn't shoot into the iso range that caused the problems while owning it, but I still knew something wasn't right With how it handled 3200iso.
 
I still don't understand why you are addressing me at all in this thread? Why is my name even being brought up?? I never said any of the things you seem to think I said. My name is Doug Jensen, and you may not be aware that that Alister Chapman is a totally different person. Whatever you think about the FS5 has nothing to do with me and my opinion of the camera should have no relevance to you. Please leave me out of this. Apparently you don't even own the camera!!!
 
Haha I'm just replying to the comment you made earlier about me trying to find fault in the camera. I was pointing out that was not the case. I've owned the camera the week it was released. Didn't post any tests to feed the fire but knew it existed and made money with it along the way. I don't pixel peep. if this were a person to person discussion. I'm sure it wouldn't have been taken the way it did.
 
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