ahalpert
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Are the rocket launches primarily for stock footage? And is the goal then to get the best footage from the gaggle of shooters so you can make the most sales?
Sony FX30: an aps-c FX3
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Are the rocket launches primarily for stock footage? And is the goal then to get the best footage from the gaggle of shooters so you can make the most sales?
scorsesefan
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This one looks interesting and on the cheaper side, but never heard of the brand and its been out of stock at BH for awhile: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...120gb_120gb_exascend_essential_cfexpress.html
NorBro
Major Contributor
RED approved that company to make a card for their Komodo, CFast, so I'm assuming it's a legit company (like they know what they are doing) although that never means everything someone makes is great.
And it's a 'special order', not out of stock, in the traditional sense.
And it's a 'special order', not out of stock, in the traditional sense.
Doug Jensen
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I have a client, otherwise I wouldn't have media access. But my deal is structured so that I retain all copyrights and can do whatever I want with the footage. Having multiple cameras allows me to get a variety of focal lengths, frame-rates, etc. to ensure interesting coverage. For a normal SpaceX or ULA launch I have 5-6 cameras but I'm doing at least 10 for Artemis. Z750, F55, FS7, Z280, FX6, A1, a6300, S1H, 5DM4, and GoPro8.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Huh I have no idea. On the plus side, we're nowhere close to maxing out the minimum sustained write speed. 5.8Gbps for the cards but we only go up to 1.2Gbps for 4K120 all-i. So, my guess is that we don't strain the cards anyway and they're unlikely to fail? (Though I suppose that heat could be an issue.) But I'm loathe to take risks on media
drboffa
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I think it's called an FS7
Chris Young
The FS7 is a fantastic camera, but at this point I'm spoiled by the AF, HI base ISO, and 4K120 of the FX6.
If I really need S35 I still have my Fs5, which is pretty great as a poor man's FS7 (with a few of its own points in its favor—like easier RAW output).
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Why gopro8? Or just cause you have one so why not? How many angles on average end up being unusable on a shoot like this? I'm guessing maybe 1 because of technical issues or physical interference
cyvideo
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Fully understand sir. It was indeed said with tongue in cheek. It does go to show why the FS7 was such a hit... and is still being used all over the globe. :thumbsup:
Chris Young
To each is own.
But the high end feature/TV narrative is going toward 8K. The lower tiers want to follow, especially since there are several "consumer' 8K cameras (R5/5C, A1, Z9) out already.
As to wild life/nature/BiF shooters, one would think you want reach, resolution and frame rate. With the top quality auto focus.
Doug Jensen
Carbonite Member
Yeah, the GoPro is mostly partly just because I can, but also because I want a really wide shot in case the laucnh doesn't go as planned.
I'm fully expecting all the cameras (except the GoPro) to get good shots. I am using multiple cameras to get different kinds of shots -- they are not for redundancy. If any of the cameras don't capture a cool shot I will consider it a screw up on my part. I've already been doing 5-7 cameras at launches so this isn't that big of a jump.
scorsesefan
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Interesting. I might give it a try...
demoboy
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So I’ve been looking at various promo videos and one in particular, the “Sample Footage” from the Sony Camera Channel with a plot of a painter… I am seriously distressed with the way the pixels are handling the motion of sea water, especially at long zooms with the staccato effect... I’ve seen this effect throughout the years from cheap camcorders to even low bit rate high end cams, but perhaps that new 1” Panasonic camera with its new Global Shutter could show significance to old school motion capture on the prosumer digital end on the cheap.
Now, I have a 2022 Sony A80K 4K OLED for viewing as well as my iPad Pro 12.9 M1. I first noticed the staccato effect on the M1, mainly because I’ve been a stickler for water motion handling throughout the years, not knowing why it does it..but knowing it’s basically how the detail of motion spreads to the next pixel with weird ass artifacts. I’m sure some of you know exactly what I mean. I mean I never got this on my Panasonic HPX170 shooting on P2. That cam had a global shutter on old school 3CCD.
So I highly recommend you watch the Sony product video on this FX30 and wait for the long zoom water segment. On my 55” 4K OLED the water motion is FREAKING ATROCIOUS!! Did they shoot on XAVC-S Intra? Or non intra frame!? Or even worse they recorded it to an external for 16-bit RAW capture? This weird sampling from this new sensor or whatever the hell is going on is unacceptable, but then again the price is really nice and perhaps it’s not meant for all shooting conditions?
Can you please verify the staccato effect? I’ve never seen such disgusting jitter unless it’s from some lagging 20fps 4K Nokia phone from like 10 years ago! jokes… you guys need to watch this on 4K on an OLED 55”+ tv
Now, I have a 2022 Sony A80K 4K OLED for viewing as well as my iPad Pro 12.9 M1. I first noticed the staccato effect on the M1, mainly because I’ve been a stickler for water motion handling throughout the years, not knowing why it does it..but knowing it’s basically how the detail of motion spreads to the next pixel with weird ass artifacts. I’m sure some of you know exactly what I mean. I mean I never got this on my Panasonic HPX170 shooting on P2. That cam had a global shutter on old school 3CCD.
So I highly recommend you watch the Sony product video on this FX30 and wait for the long zoom water segment. On my 55” 4K OLED the water motion is FREAKING ATROCIOUS!! Did they shoot on XAVC-S Intra? Or non intra frame!? Or even worse they recorded it to an external for 16-bit RAW capture? This weird sampling from this new sensor or whatever the hell is going on is unacceptable, but then again the price is really nice and perhaps it’s not meant for all shooting conditions?
Can you please verify the staccato effect? I’ve never seen such disgusting jitter unless it’s from some lagging 20fps 4K Nokia phone from like 10 years ago! jokes… you guys need to watch this on 4K on an OLED 55”+ tv
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ahalpert
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here's the link with time index: https://youtu.be/8cBc1gQD3v4?t=55
on my m1 max mbp, the waves look very smudgy but I don't notice jitter
on my m1 max mbp, the waves look very smudgy but I don't notice jitter
NorBro
Major Contributor
I've seen my share of an ocean and its waves captured with cameras, 70-80 I've tested myself at the beach where I live over the last 15 years, and I would agree with you that something looks off but I've also seen similar processing in a countless number of other systems throughout the years. Moving water is the most difficult for theses sensors to capture (and you likely know that because of your interest in it) and 99% aren't going to be concerned with this when the rest of the video looks how it does for the asking price.
demoboy
Well-known member
I agree with you. I live in Istanbul and 100 meters away from the sea, so capturing boats, birds, from a far with long zooms from dusk to dawn or night has been my thing for a decade+, and Ive had JVC and Panny loan me cams to test for their promosyon wedding sector, so ıve played with generations of prosumer camcorders with the far zoom out into the sea from 1080p to early 4K and I never seen anything like this, I swear. So either this particular shot was done in some weird shutter speed and rendered incorrectly or some funky sequence settings that didn’t match the clip (which I doubt) or I just don’t know. I seriously recommend you guys look at the shot on your smart tv to see it. The staccato is horrid. The funny thing is I’ll probably still get this camera, and im hoping this shot has a very good reason otherwise I will never shoot tele into the sea.
demoboy
Well-known member
You don’t notice an intermittent lag every second? It’s like old school dolly or pans affected by NTSC vs PAL broadcasting
watch the YouTube vid on your big screen. Just saying… Im Still tempted to buy it, just not shoot long tele out into the zoom. I wonder what zoom lens they used for this shot btwI think the Fx30 will be a smash hit. I have pre-ordered one. But i really need an Fx60. My early Fs7's Auto-focus is sooooo sad, and almost useless. There is no joy in rigging it up to the point of making it into an APS Fx6 ... Especially if an APS Fx6 will be announced soon. An APS Fx6 would be wildly popular as a docco camera. FF for doco is just not a good use of lens size, weight, speed, or zoom limitations. In any case the Fx30 will be a good 2nd cam for the Fx60, now that every damn interview is two camera these days ...
andykwilkinson
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Like you, I have preordered a FX30. The feature set and (especially) the price point make it irresistible for my specific needs. It’ll be used mostly on a gimbal and as a B/C cam and leisure/holiday cam.
I’ve been after a FX6 for ages (to replace my FS5, bought at launch in 2015) but in the UK they are very difficult to find for all the reasons we understand. I nearly weakened and bought a FX3 in frustration but I now want to (shock, horror!) stick with S35 for reasons some of you will understand & the lens options I’ve built up over the years.
Right now I’ll bide my time and (hopefully!) wait for a FX60 which I will then use as an A cam. I’m getting older and lugging heavy gear around is not my direction of travel…so larger, more capable cams are now out for me.
Please Sony, can the FX60 have an on-body mic input (preferably an XLR like my FS5 has), a decent resolution LCD (unlike my FS5) and a reasonable viewfinder…yeah, I know, the FS5 one is pretty wrank! But at least it has one for those days when the sun shines in England and I’m filming out doors!
These were all major backward steps with the FX6 design over its predecessor…if the FX60 appears and has these features I’ll be a very happy chap!
I’ve been after a FX6 for ages (to replace my FS5, bought at launch in 2015) but in the UK they are very difficult to find for all the reasons we understand. I nearly weakened and bought a FX3 in frustration but I now want to (shock, horror!) stick with S35 for reasons some of you will understand & the lens options I’ve built up over the years.
Right now I’ll bide my time and (hopefully!) wait for a FX60 which I will then use as an A cam. I’m getting older and lugging heavy gear around is not my direction of travel…so larger, more capable cams are now out for me.
Please Sony, can the FX60 have an on-body mic input (preferably an XLR like my FS5 has), a decent resolution LCD (unlike my FS5) and a reasonable viewfinder…yeah, I know, the FS5 one is pretty wrank! But at least it has one for those days when the sun shines in England and I’m filming out doors!
These were all major backward steps with the FX6 design over its predecessor…if the FX60 appears and has these features I’ll be a very happy chap!
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ahalpert
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I'd expect the cost difference to be more like an absolute than a ratio, considering how many components of the two cameras are the same. so, since the fx30 is $1700 less than the fx3 (when ordered with the top handle), then the hypothetical fx60 might be $4300