Sony finally joins DSLR video
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shaocaholica
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD
AVCHD spec supports native 1080p24/25. However, there's nothing stopping them from shoving into a 1080i container just to mess with people.
The actual quote on the official Sony website is "full AVCHD video capability", which appears to imply that it is not just 720p. There is no more information about frame rates etc and I think this is just speculation.
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_r...digital_cameras/cyber-shot/release/56463.html
I very much doubt that it is just vapourware and the DSLR replacement for the A700 in particular appears to be close to a final product. All the indications and those with inside information appear to imply that these are products close to a final release. The mirrorless cameras seem slightly less finished, but the indications are that they are close to final products. So this appears to be a lot more than just FUD. As I said these products are not of much personal interest to me as I'm more interested in something that uses lenses from the systems I already have. Nevertheless I think these may have an impact on the features and capabilities of cameras from the other manufacturers. It should be remembered that the Panasonic GH1 was widely trailed at photo shows before its final release and Panasonic said that this was because they needed longer to perfect the 14-140mm kit zoom for video. My guess is that Sony's attendance at PMA was already scheduled and these products were simply not quite ready for final announcements.
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_r...digital_cameras/cyber-shot/release/56463.html
I very much doubt that it is just vapourware and the DSLR replacement for the A700 in particular appears to be close to a final product. All the indications and those with inside information appear to imply that these are products close to a final release. The mirrorless cameras seem slightly less finished, but the indications are that they are close to final products. So this appears to be a lot more than just FUD. As I said these products are not of much personal interest to me as I'm more interested in something that uses lenses from the systems I already have. Nevertheless I think these may have an impact on the features and capabilities of cameras from the other manufacturers. It should be remembered that the Panasonic GH1 was widely trailed at photo shows before its final release and Panasonic said that this was because they needed longer to perfect the 14-140mm kit zoom for video. My guess is that Sony's attendance at PMA was already scheduled and these products were simply not quite ready for final announcements.
Bingo! How can anyone get excited about a CONCEPT CAMERA in this day and age?
I think that is the mistaken interpretation here. These are not merely concept cameras and we can be quite certain that some such as the A700 replacement will actually be released as a final product quite soon. If Sony didn't actually release it they would lose all credibility and become a laughing stock within stills photography. These have been presented in a very different way to mock-ups of the full frame DSLR that became the A900, which were just displayed behind glass with very little comment. Concept cameras are presented in quite a different way in these photo fairs than actual cameras coming close to being released as actual products. When concept cameras are displayed there is always very little said about them as actual products.
Martti Ekstrand
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Everything is subject to change. Count on it.
Vince K
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now where have I heard that before lol
Peter J. DeCrescenzo
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Sony's announcements today were at least in part intended to create a whole lotta "FUD" (fear, uncertainty & doubt) in the marketplace.
But that's OK; business is war, right?
There's a lot of good info & photos, including a dimension diagram for their new "APS HD" CMOS sensor, on the Impress Watch site:
http://translate.google.com/transla...jp/docs/news/20100222_350569.html&sl=ja&tl=en
I wonder if Sony's move will prompt the other manufacturers to show more of their "cards" soon, too? There are several photo & video related trade shows between now and the end of 2010 (WPPI, CP+, FOI, NAB, & Photokina).
But that's OK; business is war, right?
There's a lot of good info & photos, including a dimension diagram for their new "APS HD" CMOS sensor, on the Impress Watch site:
http://translate.google.com/transla...jp/docs/news/20100222_350569.html&sl=ja&tl=en
I wonder if Sony's move will prompt the other manufacturers to show more of their "cards" soon, too? There are several photo & video related trade shows between now and the end of 2010 (WPPI, CP+, FOI, NAB, & Photokina).
My main interest with this is what effect it will have on forthcoming m4/3 cameras and Canon DSLRs. As a lot know the camera manufacturers probably have several contingent decisions they can make with how they convert their R&D into actual products. The interchangeable lens still camera market is very competitive and any feature or advantage one manufacturer has, is rapidly countered by the other manufacturers. I think that Sony's announcements are very different than Samsung's initial announcements about the NX system, which was most definitely FUD. The Sony announcements seem very concrete with actual named products with outline specifications, and a timescale. My guess is that they couldn't finalise the developments before this scheduled show. I think the only open question is how well Sony have technically addressed the rapid downscaling of the full sensor resolution that results in the aliasing and moire problems. Thanks for the link because it is clear on some of the posters that it says 1080p.
LoganMackay
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You can see the body with the top lcd has a "steadshot inside" label. I would bet that is in-body IS.
shaocaholica
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You know that Sony uses the same mount as Minolta right? The mount has been around since 1985 and the original 1985 lenses are still in circulation. AFAIK, Sony's lenses aren't any less durable than when they were made with the Minolta badge. After all, its the same lens engineers and factories.
sidjastudios
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This could be a VERY interesting development. This website does show that it will have full 1080p, as well as in-body IS! Depending on framerates, codec, etc. this could be a fun little package. The only downside I see so far is that the LCD doesn't articulate. However, the fact that I can use one of my favorite little lenses of all time http://www.kenrockwell.com/minolta/5017.htm with in body IS, could be worth the tradeoff! Especially if it has HDMI out while recording.
Very interesting! Will be interested to see more info and some samples...
I think there is no point in leaving the make you love.
If Sony makes a sensor that does not skip lines, the only sure that is thing is that next year Canon will do it too.
So it is a matter of time. If you are in a hurry go with the first camera that does it.
Otherwise wait.
For example I never loved Sony with all its specific memory sticks and other irregularities.
My favourite is Panasonic and I will wait until they have a sensor that gives better video to change my GH1.
If Sony makes a sensor that does not skip lines, the only sure that is thing is that next year Canon will do it too.
So it is a matter of time. If you are in a hurry go with the first camera that does it.
Otherwise wait.
For example I never loved Sony with all its specific memory sticks and other irregularities.
My favourite is Panasonic and I will wait until they have a sensor that gives better video to change my GH1.
dust'n the callipygous
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yea sony uses in body stabilization. definitely helps to keep the cost of lenses down. and you can get adapters for nikon f-mount lenses--not sure about any others. the latest line of alphas can actually use SD cards. i wonder if they'll try and implement some type of autofocus with those new lenses? that'd be pretty crazy with an aps-c sensor
Psynema
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**** Yeah in body IS and thanks about the minolta mount info (though I'll probably adapt most likely some Pentax / nokton glass).
I'm officially stoked to see what else this camera has to offer.
I've been dying for an inbody IS and so far as this thing does 1080P, in my mind > t2i ...but we shall see
I'm officially stoked to see what else this camera has to offer.
I've been dying for an inbody IS and so far as this thing does 1080P, in my mind > t2i ...but we shall see
Barry_Green
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AVCHD could certainly be implemented either way. 1080/24pN is in the AVCHD spec and has been from day one, so any camcorder manufacturer who chooses to use AVCHD, could supply 24pN (with no pulldown embedding into 60i).
Barry_Green
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I think everyone knows I'm no fan of Sony. But -- man, they could do this right. I don't know if the Alpha mount is as adaptable as some others, but in-body stabilization is a huge advantage, and Zeiss makes their ZA lenses in direct Alpha mount (including a nice 135mm that you can't get in ZF mount). If they've solved the moire/aliasing issues, and they provide 24pN, I will fling my 7D against the wall and kick it down the street in ten seconds flat to go with an Alpha.
So yeah, let's see what they actually deliver. But it's definitely interesting.
shaocaholica
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The great thing about Sony Alpha, which I think you already know, is that its not really Sony's creation. Sure they could slowly screw it up but I'm also hoping they don't. Their semi-pro and pro DSLR lines are still pretty true to the original Minolta design without any of the usual Sony consumer dumbing down.