same seller had recorder for $400. F65 can be had for $3000 or less with some hunting.
F35/F65 Sony F65 - Any New Footage Examples?
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same seller had recorder for $400. F65 can be had for $3000 or less with some hunting.
Zack Birlew
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The F65 is interesting in that it can be debayered to 8K with Sony's software for it and that does make it, technically, a lower budget 8K option. It's harsh but even at $3,000 it's still a tricky sell for me compared to new options, but if I did have the extra funds I'd probably pick one up as, like I said in my original post, I think it has a vibe to it much like others say the F35 has a unique filmic look to it. The weight has been mentioned a few times now but it doesn't matter as much in my book, big productions strap so much on to even small box cameras like the RED Komodo and V-Raptor it just doesn't seem like an issue at the end of the day to have a bigger camera and I would just toss a smaller camera on a gimbal when needed anyway.
Ummm.... You maybe mean it won an Oscar for VFX? That's not Visuals. That would be CINEMATOGRAPHY. It won an Oscar for the parts of the film that were not shot with the F65 but were generated by computer. I think it is a stretch to credit that to the camera.
In much the same way that The Creator is being lauded for its visuals, a lot of what is great is the integration with CG. However with Teh Creator, I would argue the visual impact is greater given the scope of the film. It's been a while since I saw it but isn't Ex Machinca basically all shot in some rich assholes retreat? Basically a one location film. Creator will be a strong chance for to win best VFX.
I like the film by the way, I just do not think the camera had much to do with it's success.
Yes my mistake there, you are right. I have a friend that worked on it and said the Alexa 65 only got used on a few shots in the final film, like maybe 30%. No idea if that is the case.
I do not think "debayered" is the right word for what is actually happening. More like upsampled? I am almost certain this is a post process using only the 4K file that can only be done by a Sony piece of software. It is like upscaling a 4K file to an 8K timeline in Resolve. Except it has got to be done by Sony special app that no doubt does not tell you at all what it is doing.
Your gripe, I never said any of that.
Definitely not a new example but a fun approach utilizing the F65’s 8k capture:
https://youtu.be/kHXw84aFIko?si=urAEJtTA2rXBDmxI
https://youtu.be/kHXw84aFIko?si=urAEJtTA2rXBDmxI
Run&Gun
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If I recall, the camera was originally released as a 4K camera, but at some point Sony started touting it as an 8K camera with an 8K sensor (still on their own website) https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/f65. And I remember NHK using it for 8K, as well.
Zack Birlew
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The camera was touted as a 4K camera with an 8K sensor, kind of a bummer hearing that at NAB at the time but it looked really good and the reboot of "Evil Dead" was announced to be using it shortly after if I recall so that was a great example. As for NHK using it for 8K, I thought they had their own custom camera but if it was really an F65 inside or they started using that instead then that's a cool little bit of camera trivia!
As for the "debayered" discussion, I read that with the latest firmware the software did something like using the debayering algorithm to output an 8K file. If it's like Tom says and the software just scales the image up then that's absolutely believable, I was just referencing what I had read at some point. Still, as we get downscaled 4K from 6K and 8K cameras, the F65 does a similar thing and at least it has the option to deliver the properly scaled 8K back to users at full quality if that's what we need and that's the key difference.
Zsigmond James
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Owning both the F65 (since release) and a Venice…. I can say that the image from the F65 can be matched nearly identically to the Venice… I’ve used the cameras as A and B cam on features and commercials and no one has been any the wiser regarding IQ… the Dynamic range is also very close to the Venice at 12.6 stops dynamic Range for the F65 under daylight balanced lighting with a IMATEST SNR of 2 and 13 for the Venice under daylight balanced lighting with SNR of 2. To note these ratings are based on an Xyla21 stepchart - I’ve not tested the dynamic range of either under tungsten balanced lighting, although from what I understand both cameras suffer some loss of DR under tungsten lighting.
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