lylevincent
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Have a look here... https://vimeo.com/channels/494187
F55: Sony F55 test shots
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OlegKalyan
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mm, hard to tell , crashed blacks do not help.. which setting was it shot with?
Kolor-Pikker
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I guess it looks nice... but I could have done the same with a DSLR. Try shooting something that would actually challenge the camera, especially since the description says you have MPs, that's a killer combo you have.
starcentral
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looks nice and organic. we really need to shoot some skin tones under some natural light, not sodium vapour, not at night,..
Nate Weaver
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it may look the same on web, but at full res on proper display it's not even close.
I think he was after skin tones and other parts of color response. That stuff is important too.
Download the ProRes of this and tell me if you still think it's DSLR quality:
https://vimeo.com/62027612
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lasikdenver
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With all due respect, I am still waiting for a reasonable F5/55 SLog2 comparison to F3 Slog of the same scene(s). Everyone is gushing about how great the new cameras are in a similar way to what was said when the F3 first came out with SLog. I know there are ergonomic benefits, but frankly unless it can be shown that the F5/55 is better than F3 most of the time, there are a lot of F3 owners who are not ready to trade up. I have not been impressed with all the little "test clips" that have popped up recently. I want to see someone who can really show what these new cameras are capable of, and how much better that can be than the F3. For me, the 4k thing is not really as relevant as the image. Honestly, has anyone seen anything done on the F5/55 that they think could not have looked as nice on the F3?
Nate Weaver
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I don't think you're ever going to get the comparison you want via internet.
The new cameras are a step forward in image quality. Only you, by your own hand on testing, can decide whether it's enough of a step forward to spend the money. Everybody needs/wants to see different things.
My dealer was fine giving me a R5 recorder for a day to play around. You should ask the dealer you got your F3 from to have a go at the F5/55 outside the office?
Why not go and rent both cameras and do your own test then? I'm sorry to sound harsh, but this kind of "i want" attitude is really off putting and will discourage people from posting their "unimpressive little test clips".
I appreciate anyone who takes the time out of their busy day to post footage.
Nate Weaver
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I was kinda thinking the same thing. Even my terribly bouncy motorcycle adventure took 4 hours of 2 friend's time on a moments notice because I suddenly had access to the R5 recorder for free. The motorcycle rider had a 5:30am call time the next morning, we finished at 11:30pm.
starcentral
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I totally know where you are coming from and I'd say it's completely normal for any person to question how or why something newer is better and want to see some tangible results. I think there are a ton of people shooting with the F3 who don't intend to shoot slog or even use a heavily modified custom picture profile with gamma curves. For those people, no, I don't think the F5/F55 will prove itself to be a "superior" camera.
Then there are the rest of us, looking for highlight handling or "mojo" as Nate called it. Something that frankly I haven't seen in the F3 but not to say it doesn't exist. The F3 in very capable hands with 10-bit recorder in slog or RGB mode can really extend the capabilties of the camera and its still a rival to many other cameras and workflows out there.
From shooting with the F55 I can say is has some of that mojo that I feel alot of us cinema-philes have been longing for. Clean blacks, rich images and no mud to be found. Combined with slog2 and the Sony provided slog2 LUT, there's some extra special characteristics with the image and highlights that are hard to describe but are definitely there and many of us are seeing them.
The question is do "a lot of F3 owners" really care about some of the things that Nate, Michelle, and some of the rest of us do when it comes to really achieving film-like characteristics?
As for some of the test clips I agree that many of them are boring but some of them go a long way demonstrating specific characteristics if you know what to look for. There is some purpose to them. Lastly let's not forget how long it took to get some highly polished material from RED cameras when they first came out. This is only the beginning of F5/F55 (3rd - 4th week in fact) so give it some time.
P.S. Man I sure hope it wasn't my crappy skateboard video no one replied to that you are referring too. :huh:
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lylevincent
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Shot in RAW and processed with ACES colorspace... just minor exposure and color temp adjustments only... no grading or deLOGing at all.
lylevincent
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Of course you could shoot the same thing with a DLSR... but it's sure not going to look the same
... I shot plenty of of other stress tests and charts which I didn't post... but what I usually get the most out of is just shooting in un-controled natural light... usually just faces or things with lots of nice details or colors... I've done this with many cameras and I know what I'm looking for... this camera is quite impressive when you shoot RAW especially with color rendition.
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Richard Allen Crook
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I'm really interested in seeing exactly how much different it is to the f3's image.
I'm shooting a music vid in a few days w/the 55, I'll post about it. Lots of footage will hit the web soon from multiple sources I'm sure, it just takes a little time. Plus, for real productions alot of times you can't post it until its released, and those "real" productions are where you are going to see what the cam is really capable of...
lylevincent
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I have shot quite a lot with the F3 including a feature and several commercials which were for broadcast. It's a great little camera and very underestimated. I would say it's the best camera in its price class for sure. I've sat in large post houses in DI theaters with F3 footage and I can promise you though that I would be hard pressed to get the accurate color rendition of the F55 in RAW on the F3... even in 4:4:4 .... The thing is I don't think you can even get this with the internal recording with slog2 on the F55. I've never had such an easy time getting natural skin tones and colors with any other digital camera... even on the Alexa. Of course this is all my own findings and my opinions based on my my own testing... In fact I wasn't set out at all to test this camera against the F3 or any other one for that matter... I was simply shooting known things with a new tool that we have available to us. (Although I would like to test this with the Alexa side by side in a very controlled environment to see how they cut together). You can always test yourself against the F3 to see what works for you and share your findings if you will. I think the F3 still has a great image will hold up for a long time.
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lylevincent
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Exactly... tests are very subjective... you can't conclude anything from some one else's test (especially through the net). I just enjoy posting stuff from time to time because I like it and when others do as well... I enjoy watching it and maybe gleaming something from it but I won't make any conclusions till I do it myself. And its true most rental houses or dealers are more than happy to help you with testing gear... it's usually a win win situation.
Nate Weaver
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Seeing the same things on my end. SLog2 is pretty nice, but the raw w/wide gamut is another animal. Right now I'm putting 55 raw up there and maybe even surpassing raw from the Alexa.
I would suggest everybody download the ProRes files off of Lyle's videos, especially this one:
https://vimeo.com/62027612
You can't tell latitude from it since it's gone through ACES and that brings things down to 8-9 visible stops, but the color response and "look" is very unique and special in my book. I can tell you from my own experience with the 5 raw there's another 2 stops of shadow detail you're not seeing and another 2 of room for highlights that's not being used.
lylevincent
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I will work on getting a 4k prores of this up on vimeo and a dropbox of the original RAW file for all to see and play with.
lylevincent
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The other clip I suggest to download and peep is this https://vimeo.com/61990120 I was impressed by the dynamic range from interior to exterior and the spot on color rendition... not to mention the high level of detail. This one is a +2k file I could get a 4k up as well.
lylevincent
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i can tell you that I actually incident metered this shot and the key side facing towards the window light was 2 stops over key. Basically I exposed it like I would on film that is set the exposure closer to the fill side and let it over expose a bit... When I adjusted exposure in the Raw everything came up perfectly in Aces... Also I can tell you that all those crazy colors in my son's toy are render exactly how they look to my eye under that light... That's a first for me with any camera