F55: Sony F55 test shots

lylevincent said:
I have shot quite a lot with the F3 including a feature and several commercials which were for broadcast. It's a great little camera and very underestimated. I would say it's the best camera in its price class for sure. I've sat in large post houses in DI theaters with F3 footage and I can promise you though that I would be hard pressed to get the accurate color rendition of the F55 in RAW on the F3... even in 4:4:4 .... The thing is I don't think you can even get this with the internal recording with slog2 on the F55. I've never had such an easy time getting natural skin tones and colors with any other digital camera... even on the Alexa. Of course this is all my own findings and my opinions based on my my own testing... In fact I wasn't set out at all to test this camera against the F3 or any other one for that matter... I was simply shooting known things with a new tool that we have available to us. (Although I would like to test this with the Alexa side by side in a very controlled environment to see how they cut together). You can always test yourself against the F3 to see what works for you and share your findings if you will. I think the F3 still has a great image will hold up for a long time.
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The F3 has never become a tool of favor for myself, really nothing about it that appealed to specific tastes ESPECIALLY in the image department, yet having seen enough footage and hands on at various intervals (reconsideration that never panned out due to simply not liking the image) it's a bit difficult to understand why others do not see the clear leap in image quality from the F3 to the F55. Color rendition, depth, purity comparisons are night and day, to my eyes. Clarity, motion, overall fidelity... perhaps it's relative to each person.
 
Kholi said:
The F3 has never become a tool of favor for myself, really nothing about it that appealed to specific tastes ESPECIALLY in the image department, yet having seen enough footage and hands on at various intervals (reconsideration that never panned out due to simply not liking the image) it's a bit difficult to understand why others do not see the clear leap in image quality from the F3 to the F55. Color rendition, depth, purity comparisons are night and day, to my eyes. Clarity, motion, overall fidelity... perhaps it's relative to each person.
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I think the F3 and the F55 in slog2 for that matter are not like the Alexa where you can just start it up and start shooting nice images... you really have to be careful what settings are on and off and how the Slog is exposed... if all things come together and the post is handled right it can render a very good image.
 
....speaking of which does anyone shooting slog2 agree that the F3 slog required a lot more care or regard for "proper" exposure levels than slog2?

Since the F55 has no real exposure meter on it anyway, I've found that shooting slog2 without a lot of regard to exposure levels seems way more forgiving and still producing really nice images considering. Mainly I've been setting my zebras at 60 or 70 and not letting anything "white" get stripes on them. Hardly scientific like I use to be with the F3 all the time.

I just think the F55 has more lattitude or something.
 
lylevincent said:
are not like the Alexa where you can just start it up and start shooting nice images...
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Here's a good idea that would never happen:

A separate firmware or top level mode that would turn off all the Sony image tweaking options for cine folks.

Slog2/SGamut to SxS by default, MLUT avail for edit proxies.
One MLUT for all image outputs
Raw goes to AXS
 
lylevincent said:
I think the F3 and the F55 in slog2 for that matter are not like the Alexa where you can just start it up and start shooting nice images... you really have to be careful what settings are on and off and how the Slog is exposed... if all things come together and the post is handled right it can render a very good image.
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The thing is that the footage I've seen of the f5/f55 hasn't blow me away like I thought it would. Have you taken a look at some of the videos in the Vimeo BCC group? To me, that camera is more filmic and some of those videos are absolutely gorgeous. It all comes down to personal preference I guess in the end. But the BCC footage is attracting me in the same way as Alexa footage I've seen. If only it wasn't a PITA to use. I guess that can be worked around though. For 3k, I'm sure it can...
 
Still yet have to think of a new F5 or used F3, coming from AF100, dslr game.. is it really hard to lift this mistery between two Sony cameras? Can some one do a test with table top apples shot with one light source, nothing fancy, no night time motorcycles chasing shadows in downtown LA, will all respect to Nate's work.

BMCC does not look cinematic, too much moire, poor resolution, upon grading bleed colors, imho, to me GH2 hacked looks better, overall!
 
Sfernald said:
The thing is that the footage I've seen of the f5/f55 hasn't blow me away like I thought it would. Have you taken a look at some of the videos in the Vimeo BCC group? To me, that camera is more filmic and some of those videos are absolutely gorgeous. It all comes down to personal preference I guess in the end. But the BCC footage is attracting me in the same way as Alexa footage I've seen. If only it wasn't a PITA to use. I guess that can be worked around though. For 3k, I'm sure it can...
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Couple things about that to keep in mind; a lot of clips posted on the F5/F55 are XAVC not shot in raw and there are probably 250:1 more owners of BMC's over F5/F55 with RAW recorder so more shooters = more footage.
 
Sfernald said:
The thing is that the footage I've seen of the f5/f55 hasn't blow me away like I thought it would. Have you taken a look at some of the videos in the Vimeo BCC group? To me, that camera is more filmic and some of those videos are absolutely gorgeous. It all comes down to personal preference I guess in the end. But the BCC footage is attracting me in the same way as Alexa footage I've seen. If only it wasn't a PITA to use. I guess that can be worked around though. For 3k, I'm sure it can...
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Have been shooting Blackmagic since last October, lots of time spent learning it in and out, now own a pair myself (finally) so from experience I can say that personally I do think the F55 footage that I've seen from Nate and these guys looks very very promising, and in a few areas definitely (and should) excels over Blackmagic. The F55, anyway.

I do not agree with Oleg, outside of the moire point, and not sure where any of the other thoughts come from. It resolves plenty for a 4/3" camera, without the added processing of a non-raw system. Owned and used a GH2 for the longest... the answer is plainly no, it is nowhere near similar.

And yeah, it is personal preference for sure. I'd love to shoot some F55, going to be a great rental item, happily owning Blackmagic though.
 
Kholi said:
It resolves plenty for a 4/3" camera, without the added processing of a non-raw system. Owned and used a GH2 for the longest... the answer is plainly no, it is nowhere near similar.
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I know you know this already, but the BMC is NOT a 4/3" camera and I don't think people should be confused about that.
 
starcentral said:
....speaking of which does anyone shooting slog2 agree that the F3 slog required a lot more care or regard for "proper" exposure levels than slog2?

Since the F55 has no real exposure meter on it anyway, I've found that shooting slog2 without a lot of regard to exposure levels seems way more forgiving and still producing really nice images considering. Mainly I've been setting my zebras at 60 or 70 and not letting anything "white" get stripes on them. Hardly scientific like I use to be with the F3 all the time.

I just think the F55 has more lattitude or something.
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If that's the case, (given that there's only 0.5 of a stop difference between them in Dynamic Range) it'll almost certainly be that the F55 has more of it's DR allocated to the highlights.

I haven't seen a formal test comparing how many stops each camera holds over and under middle grey, but if anything's going to make a camera more forgiving for exposure, it's highlight latitude.
 
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